trip

Sadly U pilots have been trying to get this for years and it's still a very active campaign.

Bloggs

NO! They are NOT owned by United. They are outsourced. I'm waiting for Ya'll to take them back, sooner the better. Until then, all that energy wasted on whining about seats that aren't yours would be better directed towards improving scope.

Tpinks

Or United Flight Attendants who wanted the highest priority on Republic for the Flight Attendant jumpseat. Now nobody can occupy that seat.

spaaks

[QUOTE=Learjet driver;2587309]Playing devils advocate here, providing a perspective from a guy who has served time in the regionals. it does sound funny, but it's actually sort of accurate, some (not all) regionals own the airframe. (see: trans states and expressjet AA flying is not being renewed, skywest INC will take those ships and put united express or delta connection paint on them and fly them for a few years....and the lipstick on a pig regional whipsaw continues. United doesn't always buy the airplane, many regionals NOT wholly owned actually own the planes or are completely responsible for the tail risk, United just "rents" the capacity (capacity purchase agreement) for X amount of years from said regional airline. When you sign a X year contract with Juan's lawn care to mow your lawn once a week, do you own his lawnmower? And, to your last point, yes i'm sure your "20 yr" guy scenario is frustrating and i'm not disagreeing with you, again just providing a different perspective. How does the 45-55 year old guy who has put in 15 years at Skywest (part of the 9-11 lost decade where no one hired for 10 years and he has high school kids now) for example flying United Express passengers and providing good United customer service (pax have no clue he doesn't work for United, the plane has United paint on it.....) feel when he gets bumped off a commute going to/from work by a 1 year United pilot? The skywest guy has been working hard (arguably) on behalf of United for 15 years, but get's bumped by a 1 year guy?. What about when the 15 year skywest pilot gets bumped by a ramper, retired person, or someone's kid on a vacation pass. is that fair? Dude is trying to go to work to provide United Express service, and he gets bumped by someone's kid going on vacation?

again, just providing a perspective from someone who has done hard time at the regionals

spaaks

No, they don't. They rent the seats on capacity purchase agreements. even if united owns the ship, the CPA is usually exactly the same as if they don't own the ship. It's all about the CPA, United pays skywest, expressjet, commutair....etc. to provide a service for a set amount of time. If united had a wholly owned regional and they could move airplanes between companies willy nilly, that would be a different story

edit: And, the priority level for non revs in the seats in the back is a negotiable line item in a contract (CPA). Maybe not on united, but look at the endeavor, delta system

HuggyU2

If you're going to write like a Southerner, then spell it right.

' Y'all '.

It's short for ' you all '.

SGRogue

And if you’re talking to a group of us southerners, it is “all y’all”.

Dang Yankees!

Itsajob

If we’re talking about the jumpseat then the regional guy from your company, if we’re talking about the cabin those seats are sold by the parent company and mainline seniority should be honored. I’m amused when I hear regional pilots complain when we use vacation passes and bump them off of “their” flights even though many of us were flying for this company before they were driving a car.

I agree with others in that taking back the flying is the best solution. I don’t expect it to happen overnight, but being that fewer people are wanting to go down this road I think that it will happen. Right after 9/11 the regional market took off. We’re hopefully in the adjustment period as the pendulum swings through center and more flying is concentrated at mainline regardless of aircraft type.

rickair7777

They "own" the seats as in they are paying for them, and get to call the shots. Correct that it needs to be specified in the CPA. But regional managers are not going to fight too hard for nonrev rights.

Happyflyer

There not owned by United, it's a
capacity purchase agreement, a capacity purchase agreement. What is in the agreement is followed.