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Old 04-22-2018, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
Um, no.

New hire class drops are what remain after vacancy bids. Unfortunately, they don't drive anything.

That said, the same update suggested the possibility of a upcoming series of vacancy bids. That could be most helpful for anybody wishing to move bases.

Just remember the long-term planning committee meets three times a day.
I may be wrong but I think by June the last unfilleds from the last vacancy bids will be expired. They may have to put out a bid to get 40 spots.
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Old 04-22-2018, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingJman
First of all, welcome (or welcome back) to those in the upcoming class!

Trying to figure out the impact of this new class announcement given recent messages from Manpower Planning.

From what I'm reading in comments above, it sounds like a new class in June will drive a likely vacancy bid soon that will hypothetically help a 2-year 737 FO that's in SFO get to LAX... right?

Any clarity on when to expect this?
The contract specifics are in post number 15, but because of that, they will have to post a vacancy that closes (and is awarded) prior to the Recall/New Hire class on June 4.

Now whether or not that bid has any opportunities in LAX, I have no idea. But, borrowing from Dumb and Dumber, I'm saying there's a chance!!

The only part that is a curve ball on the timing is the potential Closing of LAX 777 which would drive a surplus announcement, and I don't think they would have a surplus bid open at the same time they have a vacancy bid open???? They said if the results of the NPDM to discuss the LAX 777 closing is that the base should close, then they would issue the Surplus notices this coming week. If that happens, I would think that the vacancy bid will happen immediately after the surplus closes (but maybe they would even overlap). Either way, the vacancy bid would have to be awarded before the June 4th class , and any unfilled vacancies on the bid could/would be used for the Furlough returns and New Hires.
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Old 04-22-2018, 08:50 PM
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Thank you all for your insights on the relationship between new-hire class drops and vacancy bids. It's a bit more clear now.
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Old 04-23-2018, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyingJman
From what I'm reading in comments above, it sounds like a new class in June will drive a likely vacancy bid soon that will hypothetically help a 2-year 737 FO that's in SFO get to LAX... right?
There was an LAX 737FO vacancy that went unfilled on the last vacancy bid, 18-06V, which closed in the beginning of Feb. If you had a bid for LAX 737FO for that vacancy bid, you must have something in there incorrect or have a higher percentage seniority restriction than your seniority can currently hold in LAX.
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Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG
Is that the current number for DAL? I’m hearing (no empirical info) that both DAL and AA are winding back at the moment.

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Here is the current information on AA. Plan was to hire 900 for the year in 25 classes. That averages 36 per class.

Year to date, 277 hires in 8 classes, averaging 34.6 per class.

Last class was 36.

So, while both classes in Feb were much smaller (24 & 26), they have returned to a path that would put them on track for their plan.
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Originally Posted by Andy
There was an LAX 737FO vacancy that went unfilled on the last vacancy bid, 18-06V, which closed in the beginning of Feb. If you had a bid for LAX 737FO for that vacancy bid, you must have something in there incorrect or have a higher percentage seniority restriction than your seniority can currently hold in LAX.
Thanks for the info. I didn't have the thought or desire to move from SFO to LAX until March... and then there was the message about not having vacancy bids for a while right after that... but now it sounds like I shouldn't be a commuter for too long. LA to SF won't be the worst commute ever if I have to do it for a short while. I do have a standing bid in now.
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Originally Posted by FlyingJman
Thanks for the info. I didn't have the thought or desire to move from SFO to LAX until March... and then there was the message about not having vacancy bids for a while right after that... but now it sounds like I shouldn't be a commuter for too long. LA to SF won't be the worst commute ever if I have to do it for a short while. I do have a standing bid in now.
LA to SF is pretty easy based on conversations I've had with a few that do that commute. You shouldn't have to do it very long.
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
I don't know how DL is going to be able to displace all those MD pilots and keep hiring as much as they are. We parked 14 747's and fell apart, they have 160 MDs with 1500 pilots based in ATL.....Talk about reshuffling the deck.
with all the 321/739 deliveries...and the C series starting in the fall (my guess).
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The vacancy bid in may isn't news. It was announced in january in the crew resources update. Vacancy bid in may with a Nov effective date. The newhire class is a bit suprising. They are gearing up for the fall but can't schedule recurrents successfully after 6 months of constant cancellations. I think heads need to roll at TK. One mid level manager gets fired for each week this continues. They are cancelling recurrent trainings a month in advance.how much is that costing us?
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
The vacancy bid in may isn't news. It was announced in january in the crew resources update. Vacancy bid in may with a Nov effective date. The newhire class is a bit suprising. They are gearing up for the fall but can't schedule recurrents successfully after 6 months of constant cancellations. I think heads need to roll at TK. One mid level manager gets fired for each week this continues. They are cancelling recurrent trainings a month in advance.how much is that costing us?
From what I've heard from TKers is that the Fox software rollout has been all Jeff'd up. I think that's the source of many of TK's problems. They're also late in increasing PI staffing.
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