Slats Extend

Your guess would be wrong... Can't address the premise?

Slats Extend

A strong message was sent that at least one of our councils is now divided...

There is shame on both sides in this.

Grumble

So now that everyone is happy to see Barton gone, can anyone speak to the rumors of allegations levied against the MEC on scope relief/provisioning of UAL pilots to RJ feeders that instigated all this?

From 10k feet, it looks like DC politics. Get caught doing something, get called out and rather than face the music, engage in character assasination and deny deny deny.

I’ve read both sides, but something doesn’t add up and I can’t figure out what it is.

If we don’t have a TA by the end of the year with scope claw back (status quo is not a goal).... we’ll know I guess.

757Driver

What proven #### was there? The LEC recall meeting was a rerun of a very bad Jerry Springer episode with Pilots referring to 20 year old stories of GK watching porn whilst Jumpseating.

Whole process was embarrassing and for those of you who aren't aware, the political BS that is ALPA brings out lobbying and wheeler dealing on a meeting by meeting basis. If JB did any of the aforementioned things during an election, he would not be the first and most certainly won't be the last. Hope the next LEC 57 Captain Rep is content with sitting in a corner and doing what he's told.

fanaticalflyer

Geez, that's easy. The only place that rumor came from was John Barton AFTER he was up for RECALL!!! Instead of trying to explain all the accusations against him, which some are quite factual (previous ALPA position which he resigned from, turning in a union member to HR instead of Pro Standards!, etc...), he decided to deflect by making insinuations against Todd Insler. And don't forget his underground movement to try to get Gary Kravit installed as MEC vice-chair. That would have totally damaged our contract negotiations.

And the ineptness of some people thinking we should wait for end of term elections to have rid Barton, just amazes me.

Then you have clueless people that think he was a nice guy! What does being nice do, when he is backstabbing, aspiring in the background for higher positions for his own selfish gain. Heck, evenTimothy McVeigh's mom will tell you her son was nice, even after he killed 200 people in the OKC bombing.

I think Oly Olson needs to resign immediately for backing Barton. Oly is a nice guy, but his true colors have shown. He is done with Alpa as well, and should see the writing on the wall, and just go. We need cohesiveness as one front going into these elections.

Floyd

This is what you said...

"I swear, it's very hard for me to take either side seriously. We constantly elect the most immature jackwagons to ALPA positions. Both sides suck."

I care more about the results of elected leaders than what their "supporters" say. Your post referred to those elected and that is what I responded to.

Regarding that Goose, blaming Duninsky's "advancements" for the financial hardships we suffered is straight from management's talking points. I only feel vilified when I leave those golden eggs on the table.

Andy

It is truly ironic that many here complain about 'negotiating in public', yet think nothing of airing union dirty laundry in public.

This entire crapshow should not be posted in a public forum.

webecheck

Agreed, but let's be real, nothing is a secret anymore in this era. This thread involves .01% of the union participants anyway. You're right though, oh the irony.

okieskies99

But I enjoyed reading the meeting minutes just now. I think I actually giggled.

C11DCA

Then you haven’t spoken to anyone from Denver. Or Chicago. Or DC. Or JFK. Or SEA.

His history is long and NOT so distinguished.