The loss of El Faro
04-06-2018, 08:23 AM
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I’ve lurked for a long time, but don’t post; but this quote from the article is chilling,
“It has been reported that a major merchant ship goes down somewhere in the world every two or three days; most are ships sailing under flags of convenience, with underpaid crews and poor safety records.”
“It has been reported that a major merchant ship goes down somewhere in the world every two or three days; most are ships sailing under flags of convenience, with underpaid crews and poor safety records.”
“This cost money. It is said among merchant mariners that, yes, a captain has the authority to refuse orders he deems to be unsafe—but probably only once. “
04-07-2018, 10:52 AM
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WL is a great writer and superb storyteller (this piece no exception), and noted pilot basher. I read his stuff, anyways, but in this piece, he curiously makes a lot of excuses on the captain's behalf for a disaster that appears to be the epitome of poor leadership. If this were an article about a plane crash, the tone would be quite different, as would his treatment of the crew.
Be that as it may, here's a great example of what could happen if or when the flag of convenience model takes over aviation. The deterioration of the safety first model and the increase in pressure on the crew to focus on business over safety.
Be that as it may, here's a great example of what could happen if or when the flag of convenience model takes over aviation. The deterioration of the safety first model and the increase in pressure on the crew to focus on business over safety.
04-08-2018, 10:33 AM
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Corporate gigs, where the “boss” threatens the pilot with his job if he refuses an airplane for maintenance or a trip for weather. Outfits that pay by the mile and don’t lay if the trip doesn’t make it to the destination. Everts Airfuels in AK used to be a horrendous example of that practice and if I’m not mistaken Mesa had the same at one time. Mesa also at one time would fire a pilot who refused an aircraft for any fault that was listed on the MEL. I rode on a 1900 one time from DEN to SAF that had the flaps MEL’d. The list goes on and on.
04-08-2018, 11:06 AM
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Not just imagine, it has happened multiple times in aviation and continues to happen.
Corporate gigs, where the “boss” threatens the pilot with his job if he refuses an airplane for maintenance or a trip for weather. Outfits that pay by the mile and don’t lay if the trip doesn’t make it to the destination. Everts Airfuels in AK used to be a horrendous example of that practice and if I’m not mistaken Mesa had the same at one time. Mesa also at one time would fire a pilot who refused an aircraft for any fault that was listed on the MEL. I rode on a 1900 one time from DEN to SAF that had the flaps MEL’d. The list goes on and on.
Corporate gigs, where the “boss” threatens the pilot with his job if he refuses an airplane for maintenance or a trip for weather. Outfits that pay by the mile and don’t lay if the trip doesn’t make it to the destination. Everts Airfuels in AK used to be a horrendous example of that practice and if I’m not mistaken Mesa had the same at one time. Mesa also at one time would fire a pilot who refused an aircraft for any fault that was listed on the MEL. I rode on a 1900 one time from DEN to SAF that had the flaps MEL’d. The list goes on and on.
Everts has a reputation for taking care of employees, but I am not familiar enough with their operation to argue on that allegation.
04-08-2018, 02:14 PM
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The flap MEL on a 1900 isn't a big deal, it has a big fat wing and no flap takeoffs and landings are allowed in normal operations. It's not preferable going into very short runways with that MEL, but it's far from a safety issue.
Everts has a reputation for taking care of employees, but I am not familiar enough with their operation to argue on that allegation.
Everts has a reputation for taking care of employees, but I am not familiar enough with their operation to argue on that allegation.
I have no idea how Everts is now. But back in day Cliff was a notorious pirate. And I know for sure they used a pay structure like I mentioned above.
04-08-2018, 02:35 PM
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Emirates recently had a FA somehow fall out of an aft door of a 777 while parked at the gate in Uganda. She died at the hospital. Alone. The Captain elected to continue on business as usual to Dubai. That’s the union types go to prison mentality, your concerns are meaningless in full swing. Of course even if the Captain would have tried to put the brakes on the operation, he / she would have had no support from the FOs. They wouldn’t want to put their shot at “Command” in jeopardy.
04-08-2018, 07:05 PM
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Imagine what the airline would look like without a senority system ... We have enough Marvins as it is.
04-08-2018, 07:43 PM
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