United Avianca JV
04-17-2018, 09:54 PM
#21
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A 20 year seniority A320 Captain at Avianca would be making about $88,000/year.
I've been saying on this board for many years that it's not the ME3 and Norwegian that ALPA should be worried about. With a UAL - Avianca joint venture who do you think will fly pretty much all new routes and all growth in that joint venture? The place that pays A320 captains $88,000/year or the one that pays them $250,000/year?
The Avianca pilots were trying to better their position. They deserve support from their U.S. union brothers and sisters. It's in everyone's best interest.
I've been saying on this board for many years that it's not the ME3 and Norwegian that ALPA should be worried about. With a UAL - Avianca joint venture who do you think will fly pretty much all new routes and all growth in that joint venture? The place that pays A320 captains $88,000/year or the one that pays them $250,000/year?
The Avianca pilots were trying to better their position. They deserve support from their U.S. union brothers and sisters. It's in everyone's best interest.
Go away troll from EK
04-18-2018, 05:28 AM
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Questions:
- If these Boeing-supplied American citizen pilots actually fly for Avianca, and then later get a job with an ALPA-represented US carrier later, would they be allowed to be an ALPA member?
- If a Colombian pilot crosses the picket line, and then in a few years flies for an ALPA-represented US carrier, would they be allowed to be an ALPA member?
- If this situation were happening at a small foreign airlines like Jambojet (that isn't known in the US), would the implications of crossing the picket line be the same, WRT joining ALPA later?
Don't read anything into this, Powder Finger. I'm (still) not a management guy trying to subvert anything. I'm just curious.
- If these Boeing-supplied American citizen pilots actually fly for Avianca, and then later get a job with an ALPA-represented US carrier later, would they be allowed to be an ALPA member?
- If a Colombian pilot crosses the picket line, and then in a few years flies for an ALPA-represented US carrier, would they be allowed to be an ALPA member?
- If this situation were happening at a small foreign airlines like Jambojet (that isn't known in the US), would the implications of crossing the picket line be the same, WRT joining ALPA later?
Don't read anything into this, Powder Finger. I'm (still) not a management guy trying to subvert anything. I'm just curious.
04-18-2018, 05:50 AM
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That’s right sniper, just keep your head in the sand.
Typhoon, thanks for highlighting this issue. While the conditions / compensation are eye opening, let’s not forget these pilots aren’t living in NYC or LA. Nevertheless, the forces for the next round of the race to the bottom are in place all over the globe.
Typhoon, thanks for highlighting this issue. While the conditions / compensation are eye opening, let’s not forget these pilots aren’t living in NYC or LA. Nevertheless, the forces for the next round of the race to the bottom are in place all over the globe.
04-18-2018, 02:44 PM
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That’s right sniper, just keep your head in the sand.
Typhoon, thanks for highlighting this issue. While the conditions / compensation are eye opening, let’s not forget these pilots aren’t living in NYC or LA. Nevertheless, the forces for the next round of the race to the bottom are in place all over the globe.
Typhoon, thanks for highlighting this issue. While the conditions / compensation are eye opening, let’s not forget these pilots aren’t living in NYC or LA. Nevertheless, the forces for the next round of the race to the bottom are in place all over the globe.
While you are at it
Thank him for promoting EK and bashing the legacies here when he was a captain there
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04-19-2018, 05:41 AM
#27
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I’m well aware of his background from reading around on the forum the last few years.. That doesn’t mean he is wrong about the JV issue. Given the magnitude of the JV impact on the DAL international operation, perhaps it is you that better wake up.
04-21-2018, 12:53 PM
#28
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Boeing should be ashamed of themselves
Boeing knows exactly what they are doing! First of all, those 12 pilots, wear uniforms with Boeing logos, have Boeing badges, get supplied by Boeing with iPads, manuals, etc.. AND they represent themselves as Boeing employees for all contract work. They ARE Boeing, no matter what Boeing is saying.
There are now 2 guys that have been fired for refusing to go fly. The first guy, I personally know, and what a class act. His father once striked at TWA, so he knows the importance of union busting, which is exactly what Boeing is participating in. Boeing is an embarrassment.
If we do decide to do some protesting at their Headquarters, I will gladly fly in, to do so.
There are now 2 guys that have been fired for refusing to go fly. The first guy, I personally know, and what a class act. His father once striked at TWA, so he knows the importance of union busting, which is exactly what Boeing is participating in. Boeing is an embarrassment.
If we do decide to do some protesting at their Headquarters, I will gladly fly in, to do so.
04-21-2018, 12:55 PM
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Boeing knows exactly what they are doing! First of all, those 12 pilots, wear uniforms with Boeing logos, have Boeing badges, get supplied by Boeing with iPads, manuals, etc.. AND they represent themselves as Boeing employees for all contract work. They ARE Boeing, no matter what Boeing is saying.
There are now 2 guys that have been fired for refusing to go fly. The first guy, I personally know, and what a class act. His father once striked at TWA, so he knows the importance of union busting, which is exactly what Boeing is participating in. Boeing is an embarrassment.
If we do decide to do some protesting at their Headquarters, I will gladly fly in, to do so.
There are now 2 guys that have been fired for refusing to go fly. The first guy, I personally know, and what a class act. His father once striked at TWA, so he knows the importance of union busting, which is exactly what Boeing is participating in. Boeing is an embarrassment.
If we do decide to do some protesting at their Headquarters, I will gladly fly in, to do so.
04-21-2018, 01:02 PM
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