baseball

No, I am correct in my facts. We make MORE than a concerted effort to push for diversity. Heck, we have at least two videos out there advertising our Diversity status. If it wasn't important to the corporation, we wouldn't be advertising it.

Which Airline has the most female pilots? United. Today, United released a PR piece.....Of the 34 Major airlines, United has the most female pilots WORLD WIDE. The article in forbes highlights that 7.4 percent of our pilots are women, and we're proud to CONTINUE our STRONG commitment to making DIVERSITY and INCLUSION part of our CULTURE.

I am THRILLED TO work for a company that's LEADING the way as the TOP airline with the most female pilots WOLRDWIDE said Captain Bebe Oneil.....

Listen, you don't get to be a world leader in anything without making it a priority. When you go out of your way and fail to interview pilots with 5 combat tours, 13 air medals and 4000 hours and a few type ratings, and instead you interview kids fresh out of flight school, who check the diversity box and lack any PIC turbine time you gotta be doing that on purpose, not by accident.

UAL is doing the big diversity push as a PR stunt. Actually, if I was a woman, or a minority, I would be offended that I got in the door and more qualified candidates did not. It's a rigged system and it is what it is. We should simply be honest and call a spade a spade.

4.3% of all ATP's are women. Ok, big deal. But, UAL has almost twice that at 7.4%. You don't simply double that percentage by happenstance. You gotta make a concerted effort to beat anything by almost 100 percent.

My position is simply this: UAL has made a highly concerted effort to make DIVERSITY and INCLUSION the focus of their hiring. Not too often to do you see companies publicly bragging about their diversity/inclusion practices. Maybe you could call the chief story-teller and ask her why UAL is doing that. Here's a clue for you...Forbes doesn't do a focus piece without someone collecting and feeding them the data.

No way should we be hiring people out of the regionals who never upgraded to Captain. Especially those that have only been there a short period of time. Too many highly qualified people out there.. But, if you checked the diversity box for the corporate image, then it's ok.

propfails2FX

Keep an eye on those new hire class pictures. It's pretty clear what gender/ethnicity combo is getting hired the most.

In some ways, 7.4% is a number that should be celebrated. Better than the national average? Absolutely. Still cosmically low compared to other industries? Definitely.

It's nice to see UAL announce more new hire classes. A pleasant departure from the predictions of March's Crew Resource Update.

John Carr

Of course.

Sane rational minds KNOW THIS.

But the burning question is, of the applicant pool, how many are of that demographic?

As to the last sentence, that point gets DISCUSSED/BEAT/ARGUED TO DEATH.

And the discussion goes way beyond any hiring practice.

Agreed on that.

For a change, we may beat the hiring projection.

ReadyRsv

Whoa. Think I stuck a nerve. Thanks again for proving your backwards thinking and bias. I’m sorry your boss is a woman and that every person who isn’t white or male (at the same time) got a free job just for existing!

Ps, the company advertised diversity and inclusion practices because normal people think those are positive attributes.

propfails2FX

Fair point.

Regarding the recommendation system, seems like the only way an endorsement can outweigh others is by employee classification (Current Employee? Yes. Retired. No).

I made a point to fill in "Flying Performance" when possible on the previous format.

A new format, and possibly new endorsement rating scale, implies a need for applicants to refresh recommendations. It might be a good idea to resend recommendation links to endorsers. Upload the recommendations into the current format. I have zero inside information that this should be done or not. Couldn't hurt though.

John Carr

Despite what a recruiter tells people, I’m inclined to believe this is true.

Under the previous head of selection, that wasn’t as much of an issue as was overall character.

Well, we’re all peeing up a rope, but it would be nice if we (pilots) had more a say in who gets sent a Hogan.

But I’m this brave new HR centric world, I believe that ship has sailed.

baseball

If pilots get in charge of hiring pilots then maybe we may see a change or shift into normal hiring practices that are implemented at other airlines. Sadly, we place demographic considerations above actual pilot-centric considerations.

Very odd that pilots aren't actually in charge of hiring pilots. ALPA insures that pilots supervise pilots, and pilots on the seniority list perform the training and checking of our pilots, but they can't be trusted with hiring and selecting the pilots they manage and train? Silly.

The only thing HR should be doing is making sure only legal questions are asked in the interview. To have an HR-centric process means that it's not aviation-centric. Again, silly.

baseball

No, they advertised it because abnormal-lefties think it's the next best thing to sliced bread. They pander to their perceived audience. Sort of like telling someone what you think they want to hear. The company is proud of their program, that's why they are advertising it. They have a dedicated program that is doing what it set out to do. They manage it, shape it, and develop it the way they want to, without any input from pilots. They do this because they know pilots will go out and hire pilots, and that would divert or marginalize their program.

Actually, my Commander in the guard is a woman. Not a problem. She's great. She would also be the first person to tell you she has a problem with hiring women for women's sake. When she burned the bra she also burned the bridge that goes from jane-complain to I own the outcome. Time for the world to grow up and own their outcomes.

You can be sorry all you want, but real diversity and real inclusion means letting the process be focused on real qualifications and hiring only the best of the best. We can hire the best and we should celebrate that instead of putting out "puff-pieces" that celebrate the color of someone's skin or their gender and then beating our chest saying "look at us, look at UAL, we're the best at hiring x, y, and z classes of, or categories of pilots.

I think the real best practices in hiring currently is at Fed Ex, SWA, and UPS, and likely DAL makes the list. They just quietly go about doing a good job of hiring everyone UAL fails to even give a Hogan to.