Holy Increasing Utilization Batman!
03-29-2018, 07:40 AM
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I think what he was trying to say was "Poor poor me. I had to take a 42% pay cut".
Your reference to the 100% pay cut times 2 puts it into perspective.
I think he still made my point.
Your reference to the 100% pay cut times 2 puts it into perspective.
I think he still made my point.
03-29-2018, 07:47 AM
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We all saw tough financial times. One would do well to not forget those tough times and live within their means. And save for the inevitable rainy day. Some will, some won't.
03-29-2018, 08:13 AM
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03-29-2018, 09:54 AM
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For some, just reducing our flying hours down to contractual maximum while there are furloughees will be a healthy paycut. I'm hoping that those flying greater than 82 hours are familiar with Section 5-B-1-a-(1) of the contract. Personally, in spite of being a huge slacker, I fly more than 82 hrs on a regular basis because my wife's a workaholic and if I wasn't working, I'd just be getting in trouble. Throw in a couple of downgrades due to surpluses and one can quickly get to >42% paycut before any concessionary negotiations on the contract. Going from WB to NB alone is a >20% paycut.
How many are prepared for that? I banked ~60% of gross last year without trying, but I'd definitely notice the pay difference as a 72hr guppy FO and would cut expenses.
This economic expansion is getting way long in the tooth and will eventually end. When it does, passenger air traffic will decline and United will likely park a lot of our oldest equipment (777s, 756s) in order to adjust the fleet to reduced demand.
03-29-2018, 10:07 AM
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What people need to think about on occasion is that these good times won't last forever. Let's talk 42% paycut. Is it a possibility in a future downturn? Absolutely. Even before any pay concessions.
For some, just reducing our flying hours down to contractual maximum while there are furloughees will be a healthy paycut. I'm hoping that those flying greater than 82 hours are familiar with Section 5-B-1-a-(1) of the contract. Personally, in spite of being a huge slacker, I fly more than 82 hrs on a regular basis because my wife's a workaholic and if I wasn't working, I'd just be getting in trouble. Throw in a couple of downgrades due to surpluses and one can quickly get to >42% paycut before any concessionary negotiations on the contract. Going from WB to NB alone is a >20% paycut.
How many are prepared for that? I banked ~60% of gross last year without trying, but I'd definitely notice the pay difference as a 72hr guppy FO and would cut expenses.
This economic expansion is getting way long in the tooth and will eventually end. When it does, passenger air traffic will decline and United will likely park a lot of our oldest equipment (777s, 756s) in order to adjust the fleet to reduced demand.
For some, just reducing our flying hours down to contractual maximum while there are furloughees will be a healthy paycut. I'm hoping that those flying greater than 82 hours are familiar with Section 5-B-1-a-(1) of the contract. Personally, in spite of being a huge slacker, I fly more than 82 hrs on a regular basis because my wife's a workaholic and if I wasn't working, I'd just be getting in trouble. Throw in a couple of downgrades due to surpluses and one can quickly get to >42% paycut before any concessionary negotiations on the contract. Going from WB to NB alone is a >20% paycut.
How many are prepared for that? I banked ~60% of gross last year without trying, but I'd definitely notice the pay difference as a 72hr guppy FO and would cut expenses.
This economic expansion is getting way long in the tooth and will eventually end. When it does, passenger air traffic will decline and United will likely park a lot of our oldest equipment (777s, 756s) in order to adjust the fleet to reduced demand.
PS: A true slacker bids low 70s and drops from there. Throw in an occasional Type 3 trade/schedule adjustment and life is good.
Just saying ...
03-29-2018, 10:12 AM
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I'm confident the company would prefer to operate with zero work rules. The flexibility is worth a lot to them. Some pilots will always want money over quality of life. Many have never experienced quality work rules and it's incumbent upon the union and other pilots to explain the benefits.
The valuation of contractual items is a two way street.
The valuation of contractual items is a two way street.
And as far as work rules go, some pilots place a very high value on some work rules while others place zero value on some work rules. The perfect example is reserve rules. How much value are reserve rules to senior lineholders?
03-29-2018, 10:17 AM
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03-29-2018, 12:39 PM
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Sorry, no, opting for full contract negotiations instead of contract extension wouldn’t have fixed it. Line pilots wanted pay and work rule improvements but have almost always placed a much heavier weight on pay than work rules.
It’s not so much that the company cares whether we take pay or work rules; it’s that pilots are by and large prostitutes who value money above all.
The company is willing to give us a package worth $X. Pilots decide the composition of that package and the company tells us what they’re willing to offer based on the value they attach to our demands.
It’s not so much that the company cares whether we take pay or work rules; it’s that pilots are by and large prostitutes who value money above all.
The company is willing to give us a package worth $X. Pilots decide the composition of that package and the company tells us what they’re willing to offer based on the value they attach to our demands.
99% of normal people who work do it to make a living and earn money. Why would pilots be any different?
Last edited by Knotcher; 03-29-2018 at 12:52 PM.
03-29-2018, 01:37 PM
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I’m picking up your slack, I get an 80 hr line and turn it into 100 hours or more. 90 hrs is a bad month. Make money while you can!
03-29-2018, 04:08 PM
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How many actually did that?
At least this guy wasn't kidding anyone that he would stay until forced out at 65.
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