Now United looking at CSeries & E2
03-25-2018, 04:48 AM
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Come on, make us read the article!
The answer's in there about why UAL did not buy the airplane.
"Mitchell’s comments provided a glimpse of the negotiations behind aircraft sales, which are under a microscope because of the trade complaint. United eventually agreed to buy 65 heavily discounted Boeing 737-700 jets after considering the C Series and an aircraft made by Brazil’s Embraer SA. Later in 2016, the airline converted most of the order to the larger 737 Max without assigning a delivery date, after changing its fleet strategy for domestic flying.
“In the early stages of our discussions, United told us the CS100 was too big for its needs,” Mitchell said in his prepared remarks. “In response, we offered a smaller version, the CS100 Lite. Our competition throughout was the even smaller Embraer 190. At the very end, however, Boeing swooped in and offered United a deal too good to refuse -- not on a 100-seat aircraft, but on larger 737-700s that do not compete with the CS100.”"
Never forget, this isn't about flying airplanes or providing the "best" product for the market. It's about deals and making money for the parties involved.
Pilots fly airplanes, management sells something (I'm never really sure what that is).
The answer's in there about why UAL did not buy the airplane.
"Mitchell’s comments provided a glimpse of the negotiations behind aircraft sales, which are under a microscope because of the trade complaint. United eventually agreed to buy 65 heavily discounted Boeing 737-700 jets after considering the C Series and an aircraft made by Brazil’s Embraer SA. Later in 2016, the airline converted most of the order to the larger 737 Max without assigning a delivery date, after changing its fleet strategy for domestic flying.
“In the early stages of our discussions, United told us the CS100 was too big for its needs,” Mitchell said in his prepared remarks. “In response, we offered a smaller version, the CS100 Lite. Our competition throughout was the even smaller Embraer 190. At the very end, however, Boeing swooped in and offered United a deal too good to refuse -- not on a 100-seat aircraft, but on larger 737-700s that do not compete with the CS100.”"
Never forget, this isn't about flying airplanes or providing the "best" product for the market. It's about deals and making money for the parties involved.
Pilots fly airplanes, management sells something (I'm never really sure what that is).
03-25-2018, 06:11 AM
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Funny how people will cry about UAL not hiring like Delta, and in the same breath defend Kirby (not directed at Regularguy). Even though Kirby put the kibosh on the 700s (and make no mistake, the deal Boeing offered on those 700s WAS to good to refuse...it was the A350s we paid too much for. Some on the line seem to be confused on this point). How many newhires and upgrades did that kill? Instead we signed up for more Air Willy RJs. No planes. No hiring. It's simple really. Just enjoy the stagnation. Kirby is doing a fine job.
03-25-2018, 08:30 AM
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Funny how people will cry about UAL not hiring like Delta, and in the same breath defend Kirby (not directed at Regularguy). Even though Kirby put the kibosh on the 700s (and make no mistake, the deal Boeing offered on those 700s WAS to good to refuse...it was the A350s we paid too much for. Some on the line seem to be confused on this point). How many newhires and upgrades did that kill? Instead we signed up for more Air Willy RJs. No planes. No hiring. It's simple really. Just enjoy the stagnation. Kirby is doing a fine job.
03-25-2018, 12:02 PM
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04-20-2018, 11:26 AM
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Another interesting read on SNB....
https://www.forbes.com/sites/martinrivers/2018/04/20/embraer-looks-to-jetblue-united-airlines-after-successful-e2-launch/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign= yahootix&partner=yahootix&yptr=yahoo#1fa1910e196e
https://www.forbes.com/sites/martinrivers/2018/04/20/embraer-looks-to-jetblue-united-airlines-after-successful-e2-launch/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign= yahootix&partner=yahootix&yptr=yahoo#1fa1910e196e
04-20-2018, 02:49 PM
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04-20-2018, 02:52 PM
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04-20-2018, 02:58 PM
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Funny how people will cry about UAL not hiring like Delta, and in the same breath defend Kirby (not directed at Regularguy). Even though Kirby put the kibosh on the 700s (and make no mistake, the deal Boeing offered on those 700s WAS to good to refuse...it was the A350s we paid too much for. Some on the line seem to be confused on this point). How many newhires and upgrades did that kill? Instead we signed up for more Air Willy RJs. No planes. No hiring. It's simple really. Just enjoy the stagnation. Kirby is doing a fine job.
What many on the line don't know is on the 700s cancelation was they were traded for one for one on the Max's for ZERO price increase and 4-777-300ers thrown in all for the same price.
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