Baradium

My feeling is they are going to try to trade a C series promise for the ability to operate the EMB-175E2 at regionals.

I'm not a United pilot and I hope no one gives up a single pound more to scope in this environment.

Grumble

^^^^this^^^^

David Puddy

I am not a United pilot and I know nothing about your contract or scope provisions.

Question: if, hypothetically, UAL someday decided to order 100 Embraer E2s or CS100s (seating 100-115 pax), how would that impact the ability to add bigger RJs like the E175 or CR9? What's the formula?

No doubt the E2 or CS100 could fill a seat and range capability gap between the E175/CR9 and the 737-700/A319. Just interested to know how a potential order could impact the total RJ count..........

cadetdrivr

1-C-1-g Number of 76-Seat Aircraft

If the Company adds New Small Narrowbody aircraft to the Company Fleet, then on or after January 1, 2016, the number of permitted 76-Seat Aircraft may increase from 153 (as permitted under Section 1-C-1-a-(2)-(c)) up to a total of 223 76-Seat Aircraft, and the number of permitted 76/70-Seat Aircraft may increase from 255 (as permitted under Section 1-C-1-a-(2)-(c)) up to a total of 325 76/70-Seat Aircraft, except that once the number of 76/70-Seat Aircraft exceeds 255, then the number of 70-Seat Aircraft may not be more than 102.

76-Seat Aircraft (above 153 such Aircraft) may be added on a one 76-Seat Aircraft for each one and one quarter New Small Narrowbody Aircraft (1:1.25) ratio (rounded to the closest integer).

In addition, in the event more than 153 76-Seat Aircraft are in United Express Flying, the Company shall remove from United Express Flying a number of 50-Seat Aircraft determined as follows:
For the phrase “rounded to the closest integer,” in step 4, the values .1 to .4 shall be rounded down to the next lower whole number and the values .5 to .9 shall be rounded up to the next higher whole number.

cadetdrivr

1-L-25 “New Small Narrowbody Aircraft” means a CS100, E190 or E195 aircraft, provided that such aircraft is neither in the Company Fleet as of the date of signing of this Agreement nor acquired through merger or acquisition of another air carrier.

cadetdrivr

^^^
Note that with the most recent E175 announcements UAL is now at the 255 70/76-seat aircraft limit absent a new mainline small narrowbody.

Thus, to grow to the full potential of 325 70/76-seat aircraft UAL would have to order ~88* new small narrobody aircraft AND park 50-seat RJs per the formula above.

(* WARNING: math in public)

Bluewaffle

I'd agree with this assessment. I have faith in our NC that they have the best interests of our respective pilot groups in mind when making scope decisions. Its clear they are looking to manufacture leverage in an environment where pilots have the upper hand. I would love to see the C series/ EMB195 on property but not at the expense of our current scope limitations.

Dragon7

I fully support those E175s. A new one every time 1.25 small narrow bodies are added to the line with trained United crews and maintenance. Just like in the contract.

Very cool how that works.

Half wing

I have been saying this for years. They will try to sell it like we won’t get the 100 seaters unless we let the much heavier 175-E2, go to Express. At this point, SK has dropped trou and is master***ing uncontrollably. We tell them to pound sand. A few weeks/months later, the company announces we are getting the 100 seaters anyway and no 175-e2’s go to express(Express probably gets more straight 175’s as per our current scope). I believe this exact scenario Played out at Delta not too long ago. If we’re lucky we’ll get 175-E2’s on our property.(I realize this plane is still a few years away from certification). If that occurs, we probably won’t also get the C-series but probably the 190-E2 or 195-E2 for fleet commonality.

Half wing

Careful, he said 175-E2. Much heavier then the straight 175. Our current scope doesn’t allow 175-E2’s at express under any circumstance.