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Old 03-05-2018, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by blockplus
I am somehow reminded of 'christmas vacation'..

Frank Shirley: Remember how I was toying with the idea of suspending the Christmas bonuses?

Mrs. Helen Shirley: You *didn't*! Well, of all the cheap lousy ways to save a buck!

SWAT Commander: That's pretty low, mister! If I had a rubber hose, I would beat you...


( just a quote that came up in my mind. In no way do I advocate violence with a rubber hose)
New program put on hold....

Frank Shirley: I changed my mind. I'm reinstating all the bonuses.
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Old 03-05-2018, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by blockplus
New program put on hold....

Frank Shirley: I changed my mind. I'm reinstating all the bonuses.
Yeah...and we didn’t need Cousin Eddie to wrap him up with a big bow on his head...
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Old 03-05-2018, 12:20 PM
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I never understood the like for the new guy but just can't get over the tone of this woops email.

"Our intention was to introduce a better, more exciting program, but we misjudged how these changes would be received by many of you."

He doesn't say "management messed up" he insinuates the program was good it was just poorly received. Completely missing the point of an out of touch management that is surprised the staff can do basic math.
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Old 03-05-2018, 12:23 PM
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I wondered two days ago if this might happen. (I hesitated to opine that here).

While disappointed that he would initially try such an ill-formed stunt, I’m encouraged that he actually DID stop it...if not pull the plug.

It means they might actually listen to the minions....and that they realized it was recreating some real animosity that took years to quell...and could have toppled the entire apple cart.
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Old 03-05-2018, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by sleeves
This all got brought up because some guy, kid, troll.... responded to my comment about not giving up scope and allowing the company to increase JV flying. Flying that is owned by United pilots. I really don't care what you, him, the pretty girl that loves fashion and sits in the left seat at EK, or the pilot that the company wants to give our flying to thinks about themselves or my ego. You can't have our flying.
Great answer. I agree 100%. Too bad there aren’t more pilots with that conviction on the negotiating committees. Too many tickets are bought on UAL/DAL/AAL and then operated by XYZ airlines. The international code sharing and JVs rarely favor the US carrier. Time to change that.
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Old 03-05-2018, 12:54 PM
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Yes and since I know they have psychologists on payroll to consult on how to best screw us in contract negotiations, would have thought one would have told them what was going to happen.



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I wondered two days ago if this might happen. (I hesitated to opine that here).

While disappointed that he would initially try such an ill-formed stunt, I’m encouraged that he actually DID stop it...if not pull the plug.

It means they might actually listen to the minions....and that they realized it was recreating some real animosity that took years to quell...and could have toppled the entire apple cart.
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Old 03-05-2018, 02:14 PM
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I never understood the like for the new guy but just can't get over the tone of this woops email.
Me neither.

And where are all the "rah rah Kirby is here to run and airline and he's doing a good job!" cheerleaders at?

I know, employee relations DON'T run an airline and keep the board, shareholders, and wall street happy.

But it's been proven that crapping on your employees isn't exactly helpful.
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Old 03-05-2018, 03:25 PM
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Me neither.

And where are all the "rah rah Kirby is here to run and airline and he's doing a good job!" cheerleaders at?

I know, employee relations DON'T run an airline and keep the board, shareholders, and wall street happy.

But it's been proven that crapping on your employees isn't exactly helpful.

I recently met Oscar in person. My opinion, which is worthless but as a human I like to hand it out as often as I can, my opinion is that Oscar and Scott have come to a mutual understanding that Oscar will rally the troops and Scott will operate the airline as efficiently as he can. The moral of the story is that THE HEAD is a labor supportive person. He believes that a successful company starts with happy employees, and THAT is the most important fact to be garnered here. Mr. Kirby has a leash, and if his changes don't work then Oscar will accept the reality and put a stop to IT, whatever "IT" may be.
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
I never understood the like for the new guy but just can't get over the tone of this woops email.

"Our intention was to introduce a better, more exciting program, but we misjudged how these changes would be received by many of you."

He doesn't say "management messed up" he insinuates the program was good it was just poorly received. Completely missing the point of an out of touch management that is surprised the staff can do basic math.
Same here. He is widely known as an arrogant individual, and that has been on full display the last few days. This whole ordeal has just been amazingly mishandled, one step after another. He can’t get out of his own way.
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Old 03-05-2018, 04:44 PM
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Can't I catch a break around here? Sheesh...
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