worstpilotever

Fixed it for you

Floyd

All of your talking points have one thing in common which is intent. No one intended to get into a car and kill. When someone blows a hole into a hotel window thirty floors up or walks into a high school possessing assault rifles they intend to kill. The assault rifle makes their intent that much easier.

There are agendas on both sides. The extremes want to either take away all the guns or flood the country with guns. Once the NRA and the extreme left are removed from the conversation, then we might just actually solve the problem. That's my agenda.

Glenntilton

The more than five million law-abiding members of the National Rifle Association have enjoyed discounts and cost-saving programs from many American corporations that have partnered with the NRA to expand member benefits.
Since the tragedy in Parkland, Florida, a number of companies have decided to sever their relationship with the NRA, in an effort to punish our members who are doctors, farmers, law enforcement officers, fire fighters, nurses, shop owners and school teachers that live in every American community. We are men and women who represent every American ethnic group, every one of the world’s religions and every form of political commitment.
The law-abiding members of the NRA had nothing at all to do with the failure of that school’s security preparedness, the failure of America’s mental health system, the failure of the National Instant Check System or the cruel failures of both federal and local law enforcement.
Despite that, some corporations have decided to punish NRA membership in a shameful display of political and civic cowardice. In time, these brands will be replaced by others who recognize that patriotism and determined commitment to Constitutional freedoms are characteristics of a marketplace they very much want to serve.
Let it be absolutely clear. The loss of a discount will neither scare nor distract one single NRA member from our mission to stand and defend the individual freedoms that have always made America the greatest nation in the world.

More at: https://www.yahoo.com/news/nra-blast...004815772.html

fadec

Right. They usually use a truck.

As for intent, it seems to hurt your case. It's just another way of saying guns don't kill people, people kill people.

And it's ironic, since a gun ban is yet another possession law. Simple possession has no requirement for intent. No act, no victim, and no guilty mind required. Intent in possession law is often a mitigating rather than a compounding factor. Drugs "For personal use" vs. "With intent to distribute" have very different penalties. No doubt "she was abused" would be a mitigating factor in gun possession cases.

Possession laws harm our 4th amendment rights by bootstrapping searches. They harm our right to trial by jury by convicting based on facts alone rather than allowing a jury to weigh intent along with facts. This explains why so many cases are plea bargained. Only a fool would take simple possession to trial. Mitigating vs. compunding intent also allows for police discretion and, failing that, selective enforcement on record. This is a favorite tool of the police state. Oh, about that state. Did I mention that possession laws need no victim? Society or some marginalized group is the victim in this context. And who is society but the state itself? With no victim to refuse to press charges, die, or cross examin poorly, the state's legal incapacitation machine can run unimpeded. The penalties have proven to be severe too with five to ten years being common. Something that is legal in one state is punsihable by a life-crushing prison sentence just across the border. Clearly the punishment never fits the crime in gun possession cases, and this has never been constitutionally challenged as cruel and unusual.

I just described why gun bans (or any possession law for that matter) are terrible, and I didn't even bring up the 2nd amendment. Funny you should mention intent.

Regularguy

When sheep in a flock are threatened they make loud noises and wonder where their dog or master is to protect them while being circled.

The truth is written in the history of humanity, there will always be men of evil intent willing to sacrifice and slaughter the innocent to fulfill their heart’s desires. The real question in this world of noise is this, where was the sheep dog and who will step up to defend the defenseless?

Collectively Maybe we are that man who stood outside the door while a wolf ravaged the innocent.

Davedave

+1

I completely agree with Albie too. Spot on.

Ridiculous that UAL is getting political at the cost of shareholders. If someone who is anti 2A sees this move they are not likely to give us MORE business. Instead it is likely to drive away those that want to protect our bill of rights. I for one won’t rent from National, Hertz etc anymore even if it costs me $10 more.

P.S. Where’s the ACLU in protecting the 2A?
Why didn’t UAL publicly call out Planned Parenthood for contributing to the deaths of 1M+ unborn babies every year in America?
Why stop there; why doesn’t UAL publicly call out the 50ish senators who voted a few weeks ago that abortions past 20 weeks are totally cool and legit.

See? Too much emotion to make good business sense. Delta, UAL Just fly airplanes. Enterprise, Hertz, Alamo, National —just rent me my car. Don’t get political.

Flytolive

You sure did and it was an absolutely absurd argument. Is anyone allowed to possess an automatic machine gun, a shoulder launched missile, a tank or chemical weapons? The 2nd Amendment is in no danger of being repealed, but is has become clear that people, much less teenagers, being able to walk in an by a weapon with the lethality of an AR-15 is ridiculous. You might want to read Scalia's opinion in the Heller decision.

Exactly, What the hell were these companies doing ever giving the National Gun Lobby discounts? Glad they corrected their mistake.

We are the fools who allowed the wolves easy access to weapons of mass killing.

ceelo

And by taking the discounts away, they're doing just that. Now they're neutral on each side... that's the whole point.

iHateAMR

We need a website where you can select “agree” or “disagree” to a list of political questions, hit submit and have a print out of companies you are to boycott and companies you are to support; broken down by services rendered.

Am I to boycott Taco Bell or Del Taco for their stance on... min wage, guns, abortion... Delta or American.... Hertz or Enterprise... etc! So hard to keep track!!

JoePatroni

The NRA has five million members, the US has 320 million citizens.....”half their passenger base?” Am I missing something?