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02-27-2018, 10:06 AM
#151
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I have heard this argument several times and it doesn’t add up. The police, the school, acquaintances could all say he’s nuts but unless he has made a specific, verifiable threat, he cannot be detained. Further, if he is detained, there is no “sop” in Florida that would have permitted the police or fbi to deny his constitutional right to purchase guns or to confiscate the guns he already has. This is why we need some new “sop’s”
Gun Violence Archive Keeps a database of accidental shootings in children. The AR15 is nonexistent in the data, for accident shootings below age 11. It is extremely difficult for a child to shoot themselves with a rifle, especially a properly stored AR15.
02-27-2018, 10:09 AM
#153
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Or let's go with a less societally divisive issue. Are you going to be happy if United supports a change to minimum pilot qualifications down to 250 hrs?
I've never been an NRA member but am now considering a lifetime membership.
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-Benjamin Franklin
Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of troops, that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States”
-Noah Webster, 1787 (one of the founding fathers)
02-27-2018, 10:10 AM
#154
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Actually I would disagree with this 100%. A 55gr round from an AR will over penetrate and you could conceivably shoot your kid several walls away. 62gr is even worse. The old “know your target and what lies beyond” becomes crucially important. Frangible pistol rounds are optimal, then a shot gun.
02-27-2018, 10:13 AM
#155
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9mm penetrates much farther than 223. However, overpenetration is a myth anyway. The FBI has no cases on bullets that passed through a victim, and into another victim. In all cases, it was shots that missed the target, which makes a handgun significantly more likely to miss, hitting an unintended target. If you have data that says otherwise, I'd like to see it.
9mm has 1/4 of the kinetic energy of a .223 round.
02-27-2018, 10:13 AM
#156
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The data doesn't support your conclusions at all. There were zero children who killed themselves accidentally with an AR15 in 2017.
02-27-2018, 10:14 AM
#157
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02-27-2018, 10:46 AM
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Anyone with half a brain would store their weapons safely when there are kids around so, killing themselves accidentally is not being argued here. It’s well known that for home defense a handgun is the safest gun for avoiding unintended consequences. Your knowledge in these matters was proven non-existent when you said a 9mm goes through more walls then an AR .223 round.
02-27-2018, 11:02 AM
#159
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I just read the fine print of the second amendment.
It says “those who support the NRA shall also be entitled to a 5% discount, and an attack on the discount is an attack on the 2nd amendment itself”
Point being is that this is not an attack on freedom or the 2nd amendment. Everyone just needs Chill the F out.
It says “those who support the NRA shall also be entitled to a 5% discount, and an attack on the discount is an attack on the 2nd amendment itself”
Point being is that this is not an attack on freedom or the 2nd amendment. Everyone just needs Chill the F out.
02-27-2018, 11:03 AM
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Anyone with half a brain would store their weapons safely when there are kids around so, killing themselves accidentally is not being argued here. It’s well known that for home defense a handgun is the safest gun for avoiding unintended consequences. Your knowledge in these matters was proven non-existent when you said a 9mm goes through more walls then an AR .223 round.
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