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02-27-2018, 07:12 AM
#141
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“Common sense abortion control” my wife, her mother, her sisters, my mother and my daughter have an answer. No chalky old man is going to tell them what the can and can’t do with their bodies.
I agree with them and support and defend their rights to control what happens to their bodies.
Are you and Roy Moore close friend? Roy Moore seems to oppose abortion because it’ll cause a shortage of young ladies to molest.
Back to the original question:
As far as United denouncing the NRA, Oscar has earned my respect for standing up for one of ours. Maybe he does care about United employees. Thanks you Mr. Munoz.
02-27-2018, 07:20 AM
#142
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Why don’t you point that blame where it lies. The sun hadn’t even set the day of before the liberal media, Dems, and every Soros funded alphabet group started screaming gun control/bans. You can damn near right the script before it happens. Constitutionalists didn’t start this conversation, they’re looking for answers that will actually prevent the next tragedy.
The NRA is a Lobbyist for the gun industry and is not a good old boy gun club.
02-27-2018, 07:32 AM
#143
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If you have small kids around the house, using an AR15 for defense, is astronomically safer than a handgun/shotgun. That's something the, "do it for the kids" crowd needs to understand.
02-27-2018, 08:14 AM
#144
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: The GF of FUPM
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Using statistics, I'm sure that you can make your case. But I'll counter that by saying that having zero guns in your house is even safer. Not only for your family but for your immediate neighbors as well. That's if you are truly concerned about your children's safety. Some are concerned about other's kids' safety as well.
It strikes me that a forum typically populated by the same 50 guys is now awash with new posters who only popped up following another mass murder in one of the nations high schools. And this, right on the heels of another lunatic with a weapon and a grievance mowing down the general populace in Las Vegas. Surely you all have the right to post, I am not objecting. But how do you do it? What's the trigger (no pun intended) that gets you to organize? This isn't the only forum I frequent, I have seen this before. It's remarkable. And while impressive, it doesn't strengthen your argument, at least in my view.
To me, there is a huge difference between hunters and gun nuts. I am not at all concerned with my neighbors who own shot-guns or bolt action rifles. But the guy who has amassed, or who is fascinated by tactical, military-style weapons, the guy who doesn't hunt, well, he bothers me. As do the young toughs who ride their crotch rockets at 100mph down the interstate while proudly sporting Glocks on their hips.
I am also sure that everything that I just wrote has already been dissected and discredited a thousand times on a thousand different forums by the Second Amendment crowd, and that counter-arguments, many with convincing elements will be spat back here in a slightly different form.
While I think something needs to be done, I certainly don't have the answers and I'm not holding my breath. But I do know that we'll revisit this topic again and again. And probably before June.
It strikes me that a forum typically populated by the same 50 guys is now awash with new posters who only popped up following another mass murder in one of the nations high schools. And this, right on the heels of another lunatic with a weapon and a grievance mowing down the general populace in Las Vegas. Surely you all have the right to post, I am not objecting. But how do you do it? What's the trigger (no pun intended) that gets you to organize? This isn't the only forum I frequent, I have seen this before. It's remarkable. And while impressive, it doesn't strengthen your argument, at least in my view.
To me, there is a huge difference between hunters and gun nuts. I am not at all concerned with my neighbors who own shot-guns or bolt action rifles. But the guy who has amassed, or who is fascinated by tactical, military-style weapons, the guy who doesn't hunt, well, he bothers me. As do the young toughs who ride their crotch rockets at 100mph down the interstate while proudly sporting Glocks on their hips.
I am also sure that everything that I just wrote has already been dissected and discredited a thousand times on a thousand different forums by the Second Amendment crowd, and that counter-arguments, many with convincing elements will be spat back here in a slightly different form.
While I think something needs to be done, I certainly don't have the answers and I'm not holding my breath. But I do know that we'll revisit this topic again and again. And probably before June.
Last edited by oldmako; 02-27-2018 at 08:55 AM.
02-27-2018, 09:21 AM
#146
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Joined APC: Nov 2011
Posts: 4,535
Using statistics, I'm sure that you can make your case. But I'll counter that by saying that having zero guns in your house is even safer. Not only for your family but for your immediate neighbors as well. That's if you are truly concerned about your children's safety. Some are concerned about other's kids' safety as well.
It strikes me that a forum typically populated by the same 50 guys is now awash with new posters who only popped up following another mass murder in one of the nations high schools. And this, right on the heels of another lunatic with a weapon and a grievance mowing down the general populace in Las Vegas. Surely you all have the right to post, I am not objecting. But how do you do it? What's the trigger (no pun intended) that gets you to organize? This isn't the only forum I frequent, I have seen this before. It's remarkable. And while impressive, it doesn't strengthen your argument, at least in my view.
To me, there is a huge difference between hunters and gun nuts. I am not at all concerned with my neighbors who own shot-guns or bolt action rifles. But the guy who has amassed, or who is fascinated by tactical, military-style weapons, the guy who doesn't hunt, well, he bothers me. As do the young toughs who ride their crotch rockets at 100mph down the interstate while proudly sporting Glocks on their hips.
I am also sure that everything that I just wrote has already been dissected and discredited a thousand times on a thousand different forums by the Second Amendment crowd, and that counter-arguments, many with convincing elements will be spat back here in a slightly different form.
While I think something needs to be done, I certainly don't have the answers and I'm not holding my breath. But I do know that we'll revisit this topic again and again. And probably before June.
It strikes me that a forum typically populated by the same 50 guys is now awash with new posters who only popped up following another mass murder in one of the nations high schools. And this, right on the heels of another lunatic with a weapon and a grievance mowing down the general populace in Las Vegas. Surely you all have the right to post, I am not objecting. But how do you do it? What's the trigger (no pun intended) that gets you to organize? This isn't the only forum I frequent, I have seen this before. It's remarkable. And while impressive, it doesn't strengthen your argument, at least in my view.
To me, there is a huge difference between hunters and gun nuts. I am not at all concerned with my neighbors who own shot-guns or bolt action rifles. But the guy who has amassed, or who is fascinated by tactical, military-style weapons, the guy who doesn't hunt, well, he bothers me. As do the young toughs who ride their crotch rockets at 100mph down the interstate while proudly sporting Glocks on their hips.
I am also sure that everything that I just wrote has already been dissected and discredited a thousand times on a thousand different forums by the Second Amendment crowd, and that counter-arguments, many with convincing elements will be spat back here in a slightly different form.
While I think something needs to be done, I certainly don't have the answers and I'm not holding my breath. But I do know that we'll revisit this topic again and again. And probably before June.
02-27-2018, 09:55 AM
#147
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Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,244
“Common sense abortion control” my wife, her mother, her sisters, my mother and my daughter have an answer. No chalky old man is going to tell them what the can and can’t do with their bodies.
I agree with them and support and defend their rights to control what happens to their bodies.
I agree with them and support and defend their rights to control what happens to their bodies.
Actually I would disagree with this 100%. A 55gr round from an AR will over penetrate and you could conceivably shoot your kid several walls away. 62gr is even worse. The old “know your target and what lies beyond” becomes crucially important. Frangible pistol rounds are optimal, then a shot gun.
02-27-2018, 09:58 AM
#148
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 621
Then perhaps we could move on to the actual failures that allowed the most recent shooter to carry out his massacre! The calls for new laws, remind me of changes to SOPS. When somebody doesn't follow SOPs and that results in a mishap, do we need to change the SOPs or change the training to ensure SOPs are complied with? Certainly if "SOPs" had been followed here, non of us outside of South Florida would have ever heard of Marjory Stoneman Douglass High School.
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02-27-2018, 10:03 AM
#150
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Posts: 7,339
Gun Violence Archive Keeps a database of accidental shootings in children. The AR15 is nonexistent in the data, for accident shootings below age 11. It is extremely difficult for a child to shoot themselves with a rifle, especially a properly stored AR15.
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