Flytolive

Did they say when UAL is going to be as profitable as DAL?

webecheck

I believe in November 2016 they said by 2021. Going off memory here, but I think it was something very close, if not exactly, that.

Probably will need less of those million dollar a day cancels though.

Sunvox

Yes, and the answer was "we will get close but we will never be able to match Delta precisely". The metric if I remember correctly was we pay something like $22 per passenger for passengers in Newark, and if I recall the cost for DAL in Atlanta is $2 per passenger and there are even bases (I forget which) where DAL gets paid $1 per passenger - maybe Detroit? . . . I forget. Point was we absolutely can compete and make money in our hubs, but DAL will always be more profitable because they have a couple hubs that are vastly less expensive.

MasterOfPuppets

Did you ask when they were going to start properly staffing the 777-300ER with FAs?

Sunvox

No, but Oscar did comment at length on the pending FA merge. He started by saying he just has to chuckle every time he hears people claim that somehow he or any other manager has actively been trying to delay the merge. He pointed out that not only is it holding back improved culture, it is costing the company horribly, and it is the one issue he is constantly agonizing over and wanted to get done as fast as possible, but that technology has been the hold up. That segued into a nice discussion of technology where he brought up the fact that he hired a new firm of "young disruptors" and gave them free reign to try to make United the leader in technological innovation both for our customers and our employees to wit all the mechanics are now getting iPads and while we were there we got to talk to a couple of the tech "kids" and they were showing us some of the innovations they are working on to make our iPad's a more useful tool.

CousinEddie

Here are some recent figures:

https://dwuconsulting.com/airport-fi...aned-passenger

Sunvox

Wow! What a great piece of data, and it helped jog my memory in that I now remember we were talking about IAD and that's where Oscar mentioned $22 which is inline with the number in that report.

skypest

The entire MEC policy manual is apparently too large to attach to this post, but here are some excerpts :

ARTICLE XI Section 3 M-(12)-(g)

The MEC is opposed to the dispatching of aircraft with an
inoperative generator under the following conditions:
(i) Two engine aircraft from a UAL maintenance station. (April
2003)
(ii) B767/757/A-319/320/B-737 (including the APU generator),
unless the aircraft is operated in daylight hours and in visual
meteorological conditions for the entire route and arrival into the
destination and alternate (if alternate is necessary). (July 2001)

and

ARTICLE XI Section 3 M-(6)-(c)

The MEC is opposed to the dispatching of an aircraft without the
following “pilot-sensitive” equipment. (July 2001)
(i) APU
(ii) Weather Radar
(iii) TCAS
(iv) EGPWS
(v) ACARS


Or you can reference it here -

https://crewroom.alpa.org/ual/Deskto...cumentID=49739

Pest

Probe

That was published by a very antagonistic MEC at LUAL, 17 years ago.

17 years ago, at LUAL. would not be a good frame of reference to use for how we should operate our aircraft. ALPA was more concerned with beating their chest.

We can find reasons to cancel every flight if we look hard enough. We can hide behind "rules", and say we are being safe. At the end of the day, we are paid to use SOP's, FAR's, FOM, MEL, as guidelines, along with our judgement, to effect a safe, comfortable, on time result. Picking a rule, claiming "safety", and refusing an airplane is not why we paid what we get paid.

If we follow every single "rule", we would never take off.

full of luv

I guess IAD and EWR are the two most expensive because they are so nice....