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Old 02-24-2018, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PDRit
Do you not start and shutdown engines in NORMAL operations?

As a result of CO sucking the mechanic through the engine a few years ago, the process is much more confined to start, run, shutdown. The TOMC send a detailed sheet of restrictions to you when a run is required.

The safest option and to protect your tickets is to just stay home.
Nice caustic response. Did you read my post? Where in that post did I claim that merely starting and shutting down an engine was outside of normal procedures??

What is this BS about me staying home? Nice.

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Old 02-24-2018, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PDRit
You may want to read 20-Q-4 of the UPA. Engine runs are required pilot duties.

Previous agreement did not have the current language.
If I write it up and I leave the jet, it's going to be hard to get me to do that. It would largely depend on my confidence in the safety of the operation however, if I were there and available. Typically, I go grab a coffee when engine run ups need to be done.

Likely, also, I wouldn't do it at the jetway.
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Old 02-24-2018, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by PDRit
Do you not start and shutdown engines in NORMAL operations?

As a result of CO sucking the mechanic through the engine a few years ago, the process is much more confined to start, run, shutdown. The TOMC send a detailed sheet of restrictions to you when a run is required.

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There is a bit more to it. Most of the times I have done engine run ups, the issue being investigated by MX may not be successfully adjudicated by the pilot running up the engine.

I have had MX folks ask tons of questions about the engine run up after being performed. Not my job to troubleshoot. Their trouble-shooter guy needs to get r done. In essence, a pilot's "successful" engine run could return an AC to service that really may not be ready for prime time.

It's not simply a matter of "normal procedures" It's a matter of the safety of the operation, what's at stake, and what outcome MX is looking for you to provide.

My MX entry has read like this in the past: engine run up accomplished per MX request at idle power. I provide no other explanatory information.

If a maintainer wants to return the jet to service based on that, that' sup to him.
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball
There is a bit more to it. Most of the times I have done engine run ups, the issue being investigated by MX may not be successfully adjudicated by the pilot running up the engine.

I have had MX folks ask tons of questions about the engine run up after being performed. Not my job to troubleshoot. Their trouble-shooter guy needs to get r done. In essence, a pilot's "successful" engine run could return an AC to service that really may not be ready for prime time.

It's not simply a matter of "normal procedures" It's a matter of the safety of the operation, what's at stake, and what outcome MX is looking for you to provide.

My MX entry has read like this in the past: engine run up accomplished per MX request at idle power. I provide no other explanatory information.

If a maintainer wants to return the jet to service based on that, that' sup to him.
Maybe we are on different pages? An engine run and engine run up are separate things. Pilots don’t do run ups. They do do engine IDLE runs.
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Old 02-26-2018, 07:57 PM
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How was the FOM exam on the last day?
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Old 02-27-2018, 03:19 AM
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How was the FOM exam on the last day?
Open book in the form of jeopardy game. At least it was last fall. Good class though.
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Old 02-27-2018, 05:06 AM
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Open book in the form of jeopardy game. At least it was last fall. Good class though.
"I'll take First Officer landing minimums for $400, Alex"
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Old 02-27-2018, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry in TN
"I'll take First Officer landing minimums for $400, Alex"
This, this and, this are required for the FO to conduct a landing.
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Old 02-27-2018, 04:05 PM
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This, this and, this are required for the FO to conduct a landing.
Fog a mirror, show up to work, and not p*ss me off....

Been a while since I've had the class, so one of those might be wrong...
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Old 02-27-2018, 08:46 PM
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What do they pay you guys for an engine run for maint at the gate?

Rumor mill on my side is 1 hour pay?
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