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Old 09-04-2018, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Thousands of CFIs have completed regional training without problems. Legacy (domestic) flying is the same as regional flying. There is zero good reasons for CFIs to fail legacy training.
DLH, BAW, KLM all have similar safety records to the legacy carriers.

As far as who are easiest to train for the legacy, multiple studies have shown regional FOs are the best followed by military, followed by reverse seniority sorted regional captains. The longer you have been captain, the harder you are to train.
Any link to these studies?
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Old 09-04-2018, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SFA320
Any link to these studies?
I was thinking the same thing. I’d like to just see one of the multiple studies that details legacy airline training success rates based on the applicants prior aviation career and status (RJ FO vs RJ CA).
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Originally Posted by symbian simian

As far as who are easiest to train for the legacy, multiple studies have shown regional FOs are the best followed by military, followed by reverse seniority sorted regional captains. The longer you have been captain, the harder you are to train.
This statement does not mirror my personal experience in training people from various backgrounds. I’d sure like to know where you are getting this data from?

Especially the part about long time captains having less success than F/O’s. Based on my personal experience I’m calling bovine scatology on that one.

In my experience non airline/military/corporate, low time guys always have the biggest issues in training. Followed distantly by single seat attack guys who’ve never seen an FMC. Especially low time GA guys who don’t have any significant jet time.

The reason being simply that they are not familiar with the speed that stuff happens in a jet. They don’t have any meaningful multi crew experience and they have not flown in high density, high traffic, complicated airspace. Everything is new for them.

I’ve seldom had a problem with experienced regional/military/corporate/heavy GA charter guys. Captain or F/O.

I’m not saying they can’t be trained but our current training footprint is not tailored to a complete newb to jet transport flying in high density airspace.
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Old 06-17-2019, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
And yet United said "no" last month to one of the most highly respected U-2 pilots in the program... both for his flying abilities, as well as for his generosity and demeanor, and overall "a good human being".
May I ask what your friend did next, where he landed? I am in a similar boat.
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Originally Posted by armandot
May I ask what your friend did next, where he landed? I am in a similar boat.
FedEx wisely snapped him up.
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Old 06-17-2019, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
This statement does not mirror my personal experience in training people from various backgrounds. I’d sure like to know where you are getting this data from?

Especially the part about long time captains having less success than F/O’s. Based on my personal experience I’m calling bovine scatology on that one.

In my experience non airline/military/corporate, low time guys always have the biggest issues in training. Followed distantly by single seat attack guys who’ve never seen an FMC. Especially low time GA guys who don’t have any significant jet time.

The reason being simply that they are not familiar with the speed that stuff happens in a jet. They don’t have any meaningful multi crew experience and they have not flown in high density, high traffic, complicated airspace. Everything is new for them.

I’ve seldom had a problem with experienced regional/military/corporate/heavy GA charter guys. Captain or F/O.

I’m not saying they can’t be trained but our current training footprint is not tailored to a complete newb to jet transport flying in high density airspace.
I wonder if he/she is confusing success with attitude. Guys and Gals who've been in the left seat of a regional for 8+ years as of late, have been exceedingly more difficult to work with than in the past. Not sure whether its just the generational gap or the info they're giving them in training but there is a noticeable difference. Military guys seem to be way more respectful but some of the Colonel+ types also have their shining moments in the sun too.
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Old 06-17-2019, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SFA320
Any link to these studies?
From Urban Dictionary...

Studies show

A term used to validate some erroneous claim. Usually the sources of the "studies" are not revealed. People will use the anonymous "studies" as some sort of statistical evidence.
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Originally Posted by HuggyU2
FedEx wisely snapped him up.
Good! He won’t have to deal with people. He can just be a stick monkey. United has specific hiring needs, other than just being able to fly a plane well.
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
As far as who are easiest to train for the legacy, multiple studies have shown regional FOs are the best followed by military, followed by reverse seniority sorted regional captains. The longer you have been captain, the harder you are to train.
I don’t know about the training issues, but give me a prior captain any time for day to day line flying. The more PIC the better.
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Old 06-17-2019, 05:34 PM
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Good! He won’t have to deal with people. He can just be a stick monkey. United has specific hiring needs, other than just being able to fly a plane well.
Wow.
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