United Hiring Brief (2/9/18)
09-03-2018, 05:52 AM
#151
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: B-737 Captain
Posts: 657
Originally posted by C17 Driver.
What changed your tune from what you posted below in 2008?
What changed your tune from what you posted below in 2008?
LOL. I love necroposts. I ponder at all the gloom and doomer RJ pilots and their "United is toast" posts from back in the dark days of bankruptcy. I relish the fact that they are now throwing my gear and whining about the "lost decade". And just take a look at those pay scales....man. PLUS 16% ??!! $$$ You gotta be kiddin me.
Happy Labor Day. Grill some dogs.... Back the PAC !!!
09-03-2018, 06:01 AM
#152
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,383
United Hiring Brief (2/9/18)
LOL. I love necroposts. I ponder at all the gloom and doomer RJ pilots and their "United is toast" posts from back in the dark days of bankruptcy. I relish the fact that they are now throwing my gear and whining about the "lost decade". And just take a look at those pay scales....man. PLUS 16% ??!! $$$ You gotta be kiddin me. 
Happy Labor Day. Grill some dogs.... Back the PAC !!!
Happy Labor Day. Grill some dogs.... Back the PAC !!!
Guess you weren’t old enough to work through the lost decade?
I was flying HERE during the lost decade.
09-03-2018, 06:23 AM
#155
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2018
Position: B-737 Captain
Posts: 657
Yep. Double digit pay cuts, displacements, and deep six perma reserve. But I made the cut. LOL. The point being, there were some pretty smug RJ dudes thinking they would take over the world when Mama United tanked. But that didn't happen. So now they throw gear. And whine about the lost decade.
09-03-2018, 04:41 PM
#156
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2017
Posts: 44
LOL. I love necroposts. I ponder at all the gloom and doomer RJ pilots and their "United is toast" posts from back in the dark days of bankruptcy. I relish the fact that they are now throwing my gear and whining about the "lost decade". And just take a look at those pay scales....man. PLUS 16% ??!! $$$ You gotta be kiddin me.
Happy Labor Day. Grill some dogs.... Back the PAC !!!
Happy Labor Day. Grill some dogs.... Back the PAC !!!
09-03-2018, 09:32 PM
#158
Squawking 2000
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: Skeptical
Posts: 737
1,000... 10,000... 100,000... it shouldn’t make any difference: there’s only one app you should worry about. Get it completed, cleaned up, reviewed and work on those TMAAT questions. Your call will come soon.
09-03-2018, 11:52 PM
#159
UCH Pilot
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: 787
Posts: 776
It has been about 10,000 for the last 5 years. It isn't changing because as people leave the list, new people apply. I remember a couple years ago people saying we would have no applications because they were duplicates, at other airlines already, etc (even though we were only hiring 600 i.e. 6% of the list each year). They said we'd have no applicants in a few years, and here we are a few years later, STILL with 10,000 apps on file.
09-04-2018, 06:38 AM
#160
Line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,330
Northwest tried something similar back in the mid 90s. Hired guys at UND with 250 hours, gave them Northwest seniority numbers and sent them to Mesaba to build time. Keep in mind at this time you had to have something like 5000 total and 500 multi just to get an interview at Mesaba. Instructors and APDs gave them no slack and something like 90 percent of their "intensely vetted" candidates failed training and the program ended.
Same thing here. HR can get them in the door, but they can't get them through training. Expecting these CFIs to perform in training like military or regional guys with thousands of hours in jets is going to be fun to watch. I don't expect United's instructors or APDs are going to give them a pass, so don't be surprised to see this blow apart once these guys actually get in the training pipeline.
Like many things at UAL, what looks like a good idea to the suits in the Willis Tower turns into a cluster in the real world. We'll see what happens when these guys actually hit the training department.
Same thing here. HR can get them in the door, but they can't get them through training. Expecting these CFIs to perform in training like military or regional guys with thousands of hours in jets is going to be fun to watch. I don't expect United's instructors or APDs are going to give them a pass, so don't be surprised to see this blow apart once these guys actually get in the training pipeline.
Like many things at UAL, what looks like a good idea to the suits in the Willis Tower turns into a cluster in the real world. We'll see what happens when these guys actually hit the training department.
DLH, BAW, KLM all have similar safety records to the legacy carriers.
As far as who are easiest to train for the legacy, multiple studies have shown regional FOs are the best followed by military, followed by reverse seniority sorted regional captains. The longer you have been captain, the harder you are to train.
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