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Old 08-12-2024, 04:56 PM
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If it's that bad then why doesn't your company just buy smaller airline with a deep roster of experienced CAs and pay up for the experience?
SERIOUSLY? When the DOJ wouldn't let B6 buy NK and become the fifth largest airline in the US because that would impair competition and restrain trade, do you really suppose they would let UA buy ANYBODY?
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Old 08-12-2024, 05:12 PM
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SERIOUSLY? When the DOJ wouldn't let B6 buy NK and become the fifth largest airline in the US because that would impair competition and restrain trade, do you really suppose they would let UA buy ANYBODY?
Two things:

1. B6 either intentionally sabotaged that merger, or their legal team was barely a step above Saul Goodman, not sure which one to be honest but leaning toward the first one

2. UAL has way more pull in DC along with the best corporate lawyers that can be had
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Old 08-12-2024, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SSlow
What are the upgrades mins over there for the less experienced pilots?

I know people say this, and it's great that the company welcomes experience, but why would a ULCC CA want to start over and sit right seat on FO pay, only to have to "mentor" any one of the recently hired low TT zero TPIC brand new captains?

If it's that bad then why doesn't your company just buy smaller airline with a deep roster of experienced CAs and pay up for the experience?

Does anyone else notice this giant whipsaw going on?
why do you think we want to start over?, lol. NK has been great but the future is a little unsure. There are quite a few of us 10yr + NK CAs going to UAL,Dal & AA. As far as sitting right seat…well, it is what it is. I remember when I upgraded at NK and flew with DHL & Evergreen and Comair people with thousands of hours and years more experience than myself and each one of them were incredibly helpful and never once acted like I was an idiot or they should have been in the Cas seat over me. Lastly, after flying the Bus for 12 years, I’ll gladly pull gear on the 737 so I can learn it before I hopefully hop over to the left seat in 1,2,3? years



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Old 08-13-2024, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SSlow
Two things:

1. B6 either intentionally sabotaged that merger, or their legal team was barely a step above Saul Goodman, not sure which one to be honest but leaning toward the first one

2. UAL has way more pull in DC along with the best corporate lawyers that can be had
Why would UAL want or need to bring additional turmoil to the airline via merger just to get some expensive pilots when they can pluck whoever they want from the applicant pool, screen them and start them out cheap and upgrade them on their terms? The past year UAL has been taking a bunch of 10+ year pilots from Spirit and JetBlue along with FedEx, regional and military with some DAL and AA sprinkled in. They've got a bunch of aircraft on order, so a small airline really wouldn't be a value add vs the headaches it would create (even in the bizzaro world where it could get approved).
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Old 08-13-2024, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
Why would UAL want or need to bring additional turmoil to the airline via merger just to get some expensive pilots when they can pluck whoever they want from the applicant pool, screen them and start them out cheap and upgrade them on their terms? The past year UAL has been taking a bunch of 10+ year pilots from Spirit and JetBlue along with FedEx, regional and military with some DAL and AA sprinkled in. They've got a bunch of aircraft on order, so a small airline really wouldn't be a value add vs the headaches it would create (even in the bizzaro world where it could get approved).
Exactly this. We've got 500+ aircraft coming in the next few years, to include a bunch of WB. With Frontier not getting their XLRs and JB/Spirit deferring their 321neos, we will effectively get most of their new Airbus as they attempt to save money.

We are also hiring their captains out from under them so there is no value add to try to merge with any of them.

That being said, I hope the consumer demand can support the massive growth Kirby has in mind. It's all good to buy a bunch of planes and hire pilots, but overcapacity is already starting to seem like a big problem.
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Old 08-13-2024, 04:40 AM
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With Frontier not getting their XLRs and JB/Spirit deferring their 321neos, we will effectively get most of their new Airbus as they attempt to save money.
There is absolutely nothing out there to support this
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Old 08-13-2024, 05:09 AM
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There is absolutely nothing out there to support this
Actually there are a few articles, some on Bloomberg (paywall) stating Airbus is shopping for slots for United. Doesn’t mean a deal was made, but The intent was there)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-checkout=true
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Old 08-13-2024, 05:21 AM
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Whether the future slots are directly transferred to UA or simply ease the backlog being affected by Airbus supply line shortages, there is little doubt UA will benefit by the ULCC deferrals.
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Old 08-13-2024, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Ice Bear
I think it just makes sense to have flown the plane before you Captain it. 🤷‍♂️
Happens all the time when airlines introduce a new type.
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Old 08-22-2024, 08:30 AM
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I read that the base selection occurs on day 1 of indoc, how is the order of selection established? I've heard it's by last 4 of SSN and age but don't which is true.
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