Airline Pilot Central Forums

Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > United
New Hire Classes and Drops >

New Hire Classes and Drops

Register
FAQ
Advertising
Calendar
Today's Posts
Search

Notices

New Hire Classes and Drops

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-05-2024, 06:21 AM
  #3571  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 123
Default
Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Only people who meet FAR 121.436 mins can bid for CA positions. So, yes to #1, no to #2, unless the had other qualifying time. Not all mil time counts either.
Yes, I know not all mil time counts. Only up to 500 hrs when you were PIC of a multi-crew AC... blah blah, caveats yeah.
ps2sunvalley is offline  
Reply
Old 01-05-2024, 06:57 AM
  #3572  
Gets Weekends Off
 
hummingbear's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 1,361
Default
Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
That’s not how it works. If the most junior guy got an FO slot, any of the people above him could have had it. So if anyone above that last guy bid for a CA slot, it was voluntary.
I don’t believe this is true. Yes, BI assignments are seniority based, but not everyone is eligible for a CA award, & I don’t see anything in the contract that states they can only assign 8-F-12 CAs if the eligible pilots are also the most junior in class.

So theoretically, you could have a BI class where 10 8-F-12s need to be assigned but the bottom guy isn’t eligible, so they assign the bottom 2-11 guys CA slots & the ineligible 8-ball gets an FO seat. I should say I don’t know for a fact that’s happening & I haven’t really seen any communications from the company or union updating us on the matter, but my reading of the contract doesn’t bind the company in the way you’re claiming.
hummingbear is offline  
Reply
Old 01-05-2024, 05:35 PM
  #3573  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jan 2020
Posts: 291
Default
Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
That’s not how it works. If the most junior guy got an FO slot, any of the people above him could have had it. So if anyone above that last guy bid for a CA slot, it was voluntary.
As others have said, this is completely false. The most junior did not qualify therefore they were not able to bid for it. MANY of those with CA slots in the bottom 10 did not want it. Source - I know someone in that class.
aviator1998 is offline  
Reply
Old 01-05-2024, 06:08 PM
  #3574  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Jan 2021
Posts: 1,164
Default
Originally Posted by aviator1998
As others have said, this is completely false. The most junior did not qualify therefore they were not able to bid for it. MANY of those with CA slots in the bottom 10 did not want it. Source - I know someone in that class.
So this is clear evidence United is forcing upgrades to new hires. All I have to say is LOL.
LAXtoDEN is offline  
Reply
Old 01-05-2024, 07:42 PM
  #3575  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2022
Posts: 856
Default
Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
That’s not how it works. If the most junior guy got an FO slot, any of the people above him could have had it. So if anyone above that last guy bid for a CA slot, it was voluntary.
Even if it did work that way ... all the company has to do is segregate the non-eligible people into their own classes.
Brickfire is offline  
Reply
Old 01-05-2024, 08:42 PM
  #3576  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 2,525
Default
Originally Posted by hummingbear
I don’t believe this is true. Yes, BI assignments are seniority based, but not everyone is eligible for a CA award, & I don’t see anything in the contract that states they can only assign 8-F-12 CAs if the eligible pilots are also the most junior in class.

So theoretically, you could have a BI class where 10 8-F-12s need to be assigned but the bottom guy isn’t eligible, so they assign the bottom 2-11 guys CA slots & the ineligible 8-ball gets an FO seat. I should say I don’t know for a fact that’s happening & I haven’t really seen any communications from the company or union updating us on the matter, but my reading of the contract doesn’t bind the company in the way you’re claiming.
It is true. Listed exactly as you would expect in the bidding guide. Positions are selected in seniority order. If someone junior to another gets an FO bid and a senior person gets a CA bid, that senior person passed on the FO slot.
ThumbsUp is offline  
Reply
Old 01-05-2024, 08:55 PM
  #3577  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jan 2020
Posts: 291
Default
Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
It is true. Listed exactly as you would expect in the bidding guide. Positions are selected in seniority order. If someone junior to another gets an FO bid and a senior person gets a CA bid, that senior person passed on the FO slot.
I have no idea where you are getting your information, but this is completely wrong. Talk to anyone in the last few classes. Happened a few weeks ago as well...down to the final 3 people with 2x 737 CA and 1x 320 FO....the 3rd from bottom wanted 320FO but ended up with 737CA because the 8 ball wasn't eligible for a CA slot
aviator1998 is offline  
Reply
Old 01-05-2024, 09:18 PM
  #3578  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 2,525
Default
Originally Posted by aviator1998
I have no idea where you are getting your information, but this is completely wrong. Talk to anyone in the last few classes. Happened a few weeks ago as well...down to the final 3 people with 2x 737 CA and 1x 320 FO....the 3rd from bottom wanted 320FO but ended up with 737CA because the 8 ball wasn't eligible for a CA slot
Sorry, but the I know a guy stuff doesn’t hold weight over company publications.
ThumbsUp is offline  
Reply
Old 01-06-2024, 02:40 AM
  #3579  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2015
Posts: 772
Default
Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Sorry, but the I know a guy stuff doesn’t hold weight over company publications.
sorry thumbsup, I don’t believe you are correct, then again I don’t have anything definitive to prove it. It sounds like you do though. Could you point us in the correct direction of this publication? Or quote it from somewhere?
Broncofan is offline  
Reply
Old 01-06-2024, 07:33 AM
  #3580  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jan 2016
Posts: 536
Default
Originally Posted by aviator1998
I have no idea where you are getting your information, but this is completely wrong. Talk to anyone in the last few classes. Happened a few weeks ago as well...down to the final 3 people with 2x 737 CA and 1x 320 FO....the 3rd from bottom wanted 320FO but ended up with 737CA because the 8 ball wasn't eligible for a CA slot
Can someone clarify do they need 1000 121 hrs before they are eligible for the award? Or will the 500 hrs of UAL time they earn as an FO count toward the 1000?
TimetoClimb is offline  
Reply
Page 358 of 414
« First
258
308
348
354
355
356
357
358
359
360
361
362
368
408
Last »
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
New Class Drops
Aussiedoodle
United
9
09-10-2021 01:54 PM
Back to Subforum
United
View Next Unread
Uniform BS

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Your Privacy Choices