New Hire Classes and Drops
03-01-2020, 04:50 AM
#1062
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,982
Along the lines of what PA Slammer posted.
I see a lot of ways to handle getting these folks in to Indoc and beyond at a relatively low cost to the company.
"Two weeks notice" is somewhat of a standard. Not required... I get it. And "two weeks notice" goes both ways, in my opinion. No need to remind me that "it's business, and a lot of us have been furloughed more than once...". I realize that.
Yes, bringing them in now incurs some potential costs. But these people left their previous jobs in good faith... some of them in just the last few weeks. The company could have earned a lot of loyalty with these 30 people by doing the right thing. United should have honored their commitment to start them on 3 March. It is a blown opportunity.
I see a lot of ways to handle getting these folks in to Indoc and beyond at a relatively low cost to the company.
"Two weeks notice" is somewhat of a standard. Not required... I get it. And "two weeks notice" goes both ways, in my opinion. No need to remind me that "it's business, and a lot of us have been furloughed more than once...". I realize that.
Yes, bringing them in now incurs some potential costs. But these people left their previous jobs in good faith... some of them in just the last few weeks. The company could have earned a lot of loyalty with these 30 people by doing the right thing. United should have honored their commitment to start them on 3 March. It is a blown opportunity.
People tend to show their true colors when times become tough. United is no different. We have had a 8 year stretch of growth, pay raises, upgrades and phrenetic hiring. The love affair that people thought they had with Oscar should become a little more clear soon. He's not your friend.
Keep an eye out on your fellow pilots. We will see what our “true colors” are when the premium pay dries up, lines are limited to 70 hours and the game of musical chairs starts going the other direction. Be ready with your rainy day fund...because the forecast looks like high probability of rain.
03-01-2020, 05:32 AM
#1063
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: 767/757 CA
Posts: 2,695
People tend to show their true colors when times become tough. United is no different. We have had a 8 year stretch of growth, pay raises, upgrades and phrenetic hiring. The love affair that people thought they had with Oscar should become a little more clear soon. He's not your friend.
Keep an eye out on your fellow pilots. We will see what our “true colors” are when the premium pay dries up, lines are limited to 70 hours and the game of musical chairs starts going the other direction. Be ready with your rainy day fund...because the forecast looks like high probability of rain.
Keep an eye out on your fellow pilots. We will see what our “true colors” are when the premium pay dries up, lines are limited to 70 hours and the game of musical chairs starts going the other direction. Be ready with your rainy day fund...because the forecast looks like high probability of rain.
03-01-2020, 06:01 AM
#1064
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 212
What can be done for these pilots that resigned their jobs for UAL, either through ALPA or some other method? Not everyone is a regional pilot with a 6 month leave of absence (Part 91, 135, military turning down other CJOs)?
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03-01-2020, 06:19 AM
#1065
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,982
The short answer is NADA, zilch, zip. ALPA does not control hiring. I contacted my LEC rep this morning to express my disgust with the companies actions. He can pass it up the food chain, but realistically, I don’t think anything can or will be done.
03-01-2020, 06:21 AM
#1066
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Left Seat
Posts: 149
This is a true "emergency" for United so I will take the unpopular position and say that cancelling the class 3 days out was justified. We are going to start bleeding cash and it is the company's fiduciary responsibility to prepare for the worse. If this plays out like the epidemiologist are forecasting this is going to be horrible for the airlines. Just this week the Geneva car show was cancelled and Japan cancelled all K-12 until at least April. Disneyland Tokyo is closed. Our domestic economy is all about consumer confidence and unfortunately we are the canary in the coal mine. My guess is there will be large FO surpluses off the widebody fleets as we move a lot of the widebody flying to domestic. Hence the training center will be busy with people moving "backwards". The airlines will probably all have to shrink a bit hopefully without furloughs. In a year or two we will have a vaccine but who knows how quickly the economy will recover. This to will pass...good luck to all...
Last edited by Sparta; 03-01-2020 at 06:46 AM.
03-01-2020, 07:13 AM
#1067
New Hire
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: 767FO
Posts: 9
Wouldn't it be nice to have a couple billion in the bank rather than all that money thrown down the toilet for stock buybacks? The time is now for United management to step up and take unpaid leave, cut their bonuses, and their salaries and lay themselves off for these stupid decisions.
Its time to remember management wants stuff from us. They want you to single engine taxi, leave the APU off, land on runway 29 at Newark, etc. But they are not giving you anything in return (like a new contact) and betraying these new hire pilots in the process. So go ahead and extend, waive and pick up trips. You are only helping the company screw us.
Its time to remember management wants stuff from us. They want you to single engine taxi, leave the APU off, land on runway 29 at Newark, etc. But they are not giving you anything in return (like a new contact) and betraying these new hire pilots in the process. So go ahead and extend, waive and pick up trips. You are only helping the company screw us.
03-01-2020, 07:49 AM
#1068
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 491
I’ve been here 25+ years and Ive never seen the company hire more pilots because someone refused to pick up an open 777 Captain trip. It doesn’t work that way. This type of nonsense comes around every time there is a slowdown. People beat their chests about “flying the contract” but then when they do, some complain they should “fly the contract less”.
03-01-2020, 07:53 AM
#1069
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 491
Wouldn't it be nice to have a couple billion in the bank rather than all that money thrown down the toilet for stock buybacks? The time is now for United management to step up and take unpaid leave, cut their bonuses, and their salaries and lay themselves off for these stupid decisions.
Its time to remember management wants stuff from us. They want you to single engine taxi, leave the APU off, land on runway 29 at Newark, etc. But they are not giving you anything in return (like a new contact) and betraying these new hire pilots in the process. So go ahead and extend, waive and pick up trips. You are only helping the company screw us.
Its time to remember management wants stuff from us. They want you to single engine taxi, leave the APU off, land on runway 29 at Newark, etc. But they are not giving you anything in return (like a new contact) and betraying these new hire pilots in the process. So go ahead and extend, waive and pick up trips. You are only helping the company screw us.
03-01-2020, 07:58 AM
#1070
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Joined APC: Jan 2019
Posts: 177
Yep, as the cash dwindles.
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