fanaticalflyer

Picked up a one day PPU trip that paid 12 hours total (6 hour trip with 100% add pay for another 6hours) PTC and LPV both went up by approx 6 hours. And add pay went up about 6 hours.

E-sub occurred, thus cancelling trip.

PTC remained the same and LPV went down 6 hours, as expected.
But the Add Pay was taken off. I thought you still kept the add pay for the PPU, even if flight cancelled?

Do I just submit a pay inquiry with USAW?

Thanks,

FF

LeeFXDWG

Your PTC should not change after the cancellation of the pairing. Your LPV should drop by the value of the flying not done. And PPU add pay only exists at company discretion, so when the trip cancelled so did the PPU. See 20-H-4

Lee

Slats Extend

Think of it like this for a senior man, or PP trip: You actually have to turn a wheel to assure getting premium pay...

frascaflyer

20-H-4-c says:

"The Lineholder shall receive the Add Pay at time of assignment."

If you're referring to 20-H-4-a, which says:

"The Company may remove this Add Pay at any time"

then you need to keep reading, because the next part says:

"provided the Trip is not on a Lineholder’s schedule, in which case it shall no longer be a lineholder premium pay Trip."

That means they can pull the add pay back before it's picked up or assigned to anybody, not that they can cancel it whenever they want.

There isn't anything that says you need to turn a wheel to get the pay.

You are owed the Add Pay.

Slats Extend

Real world: You have to turn a wheel to get the add pay.

frascaflyer

Is there an interpretation or some sort of negotiation note to back that up? Is there a refusal of the union to grieve a lack of add pay? You very well may be right, but that isn't the reading of the contract.

frascaflyer

Found it.

20-F-1-a-(9) If the lost flying was originally assigned under Section 20-H-5, or Step Five or Step Six of Section 20-I, the Add Pay the Lineholder received under those provisions shall be removed. Instead, the 100% Add Pay percentage he was entitled to under the original assignment shall apply to the scheduled pay value of the replacement Trip(s) he performs in conjunction with his obligation under Section 20-F-1-a. Section 20-L-6 shall not apply to such Lineholder.

and

20-F-1-a-(10) If the lost flying was originally assigned under Section 20-H-4, the Add Pay the Lineholder received under that provision shall be removed. Instead, the Add Pay percentage he was entitled to under the original assignment shall apply to the scheduled pay value of the replacement Trip(s) he performs in conjunction with his obligation under Section 20-F-1-a. If the Add Pay percentage he was entitled to under the original assignment is 100%, Section 20-L-6 shall not apply to such Lineholder. If such Add Pay percentage is seventy-five percent (75%), Section 20-L-6-a shall not apply and Section 20-L-6-b shall apply but at twenty-five percent (25%). If such Add Pay percentage is fifty percent (50%), Section 20-L-6-a shall not apply and Section 20-L-6-b shall apply without modification.

It's helpful to know the reason behind things and the references rather than a simple "that's how it works in the real world."

My apologies, Slats. You are indeed correct.

fanaticalflyer

Thanks to both of you. I was confused on the 20-H section as sell and yup, 20-F-1-a-10 settles it.

Slats Extend

Frasca: not all of us are contract experts and can quote language or specific portions of the contract. And like most of us, I am just a line pilot that has been burned at certain times and have learned through osmosis.

Having returned from a South American trip, I didn't feel like digging into the contract and just gave the real world binary answer.

Kudos, and I mean that seriously, that you were able to drill it down in the contract.