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Old 01-13-2018, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Winston
You’re missing my point: I fly a 737 regularly to Hawaii and have to plot the chart and run through the ETOPS checklist, I’m just trying to wrap my head around why the same flight (or a transcon) would require more preflight preperation time in a 777 as Capt. Fitzgerald suggested.
I think the difference is you've been conditioned to do it in a shorter period of time. Same for me on a B757 SFO-OGG. But, the trouble is, I find myself cutting corners. Not on big things, but in order to get it all done in 45 minutes the CA usually does the walk around, and there is no time for a crew briefing. Everything has to be done right, and done right the first time with no MX or catering issues.

Having more time allows more opportunity to spot errors and correct them and/or get help to where it is needed to get the jet out.

the 777 with twice the crew compliment and twice the pax load has allot of moving parts. The CA needs time to see all the parts work and to insure it's all getting done. Sure, you can cram 12 pounds of crap into a 10 pound bag, but why?
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Originally Posted by Winston
Venturing wide off topic here, but what exactly is it about flying a 777 vs a 737 to ORD or OGG that requires greater preparation?

Honest question.
As stated, for an overwater leg, 45 minutes is not adequate, basic crew.

But to more seriously answer your question, since the "Integration," the 777 flight manual has changed dramatically. The FO essentially does everything now. His time is the limiting factor. Complete overhead preflight, FMC, Plot the chart, HF's, verify way points, all the ACARS, checklist resets, and the walk around.

I test the radar, and O2. Oh, and do some of that Capt networking. And.....777A's are routinely weight restricted, so that means I'm fighting with zone and load planning to get that last 5k lb weight instead of saving it for some mysterious reason and keeping 20 people off the plane.

Then, that 777 walk around takes like.....30 minutes to walk that far. It's a big ass plane....

The question you should really be asking is, why is the guppy preflight so short? To honestly do everything, my set up takes 22 min. It has for years. It's all the other Capt stuff that goes along with it...honestly go through the flight papers, and not just scroll through. Read the notams. Often Dispatch misses stuff. It really does take that long, and it should you too. If we are doing everything SOP requires.

And yes, I have around 5k hours in guppies.
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What’s a guppy?
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A POS with lipstick.
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What’s a guppy?
A (slightly*) modified 707.

*removed two of the engines and the water injection tank

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Old 01-14-2018, 05:51 AM
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If you notice the hours available any given day for IPad refresh are bankers hours 8-4. Isn't that nice?

Guess I won't be doing it after or before a trip, unless I come in on a day off.

Good hours If you can get em. Those iPad techies must have a really good union.

So does a 2100 global departure with a 1600 show risk a timeout or fatigue call later in he night?
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What’s a guppy?
The large complicated piece of equipment surrounding an ANR headset.

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Old 01-14-2018, 06:14 AM
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Those are good hours!


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if you notice the hours available any given day for ipad refresh are bankers hours 8-4. Isn't that nice?

Guess i won't be doing it after or before a trip, unless i come in on a day off.

Good hours if you can get em. Those ipad techies must have a really good union.

So does a 2100 global departure with a 1600 show risk a timeout or fatigue call later in he night?
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I think the difference is you've been conditioned to do it in a shorter period of time. Same for me on a B757 SFO-OGG. But, the trouble is, I find myself cutting corners. Not on big things, but in order to get it all done in 45 minutes the CA usually does the walk around, and there is no time for a crew briefing. Everything has to be done right, and done right the first time with no MX or catering issues.

Having more time allows more opportunity to spot errors and correct them and/or get help to where it is needed to get the jet out.

the 777 with twice the crew compliment and twice the pax load has allot of moving parts. The CA needs time to see all the parts work and to insure it's all getting done. Sure, you can cram 12 pounds of crap into a 10 pound bag, but why?
Did you file an FSAP?

Ha, we all should be filing FSAPs

"If you think you should file an FSAP,file an FSAP"
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Did you file an FSAP?

Ha, we all should be filing FSAPs

"If you think you should file an FSAP,file an FSAP"
No.

But it's like we intentionally try and compress everything time-wise. I don't get it. Then, factor in traffic from the layover hotel, or a van driver who is late, or my favorite, a van driver who tries to pile in 3 crews with a pseudo-modified pick up time.
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