New 767-300 coming?
11-06-2017, 08:09 PM
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I for one do not think we could replace the 757's with 767's. This is a very different plane. Buy more 767's? Maybe. We do need the lift, but not to replace the 757s. Maybe the 5% routes that the uber Guppy can't handle?
The obvious huge problem with replacing the 75's with 767's? Gate space. A 767 will not fit at a 757 gate. SFO is already out of gates, EWR is worse. A 75 can fit in the narrow body gates at ORD, but not a 767.
The obvious huge problem with replacing the 75's with 767's? Gate space. A 767 will not fit at a 757 gate. SFO is already out of gates, EWR is worse. A 75 can fit in the narrow body gates at ORD, but not a 767.
11-07-2017, 05:09 AM
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I could see leasing them from Boeing for 8-10 years, and they take them back and convert to freighters. Some of the 300ERS are getting pretty old. The 764's not nearly so. I would bet the thought of new 767's isn't growth, it lets us retire older ones, and maybe some 757's.
11-07-2017, 05:40 AM
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I could see leasing them from Boeing for 8-10 years, and they take them back and convert to freighters. Some of the 300ERS are getting pretty old. The 764's not nearly so. I would bet the thought of new 767's isn't growth, it lets us retire older ones, and maybe some 757's.
But less than 50-50 we see those jets.
Great idea though.
11-07-2017, 05:52 AM
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From what I was told, many voted for it holding their nose. Their main concern were Captain awards going 3000 numbers out of seniority and that needed to be stopped. They were not going to hold up an extension just to correct the 67-300 pay disparity and you know that.
It'll get corrected sooner or later.
It'll get corrected sooner or later.
Bazingo.............................
11-07-2017, 06:58 AM
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The majority of 787-800 operations at all airlines is less than the max range of the 767-300ER. There are 152 787-8’s airborne right now on flight aware. Only 32 of those flights are longer than 10hrs, only 12 are longer than 12 hours.
The 787-8 seats only five more than than the 767-300 and those seats are in the premium cabin. It’s a much more efficient airplane per seat mile. It’s downfall is acquisition cost and order backlog.
11-07-2017, 07:18 AM
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They are absolutely in the same category.
The majority of 787-800 operations at all airlines is less than the max range of the 767-300ER. There are 152 787-8’s airborne right now on flight aware. Only 32 of those flights are longer than 10hrs, only 12 are longer than 12 hours.
The 787-8 seats only five more than than the 767-300 and those seats are in the premium cabin. It’s a much more efficient airplane per seat mile. It’s downfall is acquisition cost and order backlog.
The majority of 787-800 operations at all airlines is less than the max range of the 767-300ER. There are 152 787-8’s airborne right now on flight aware. Only 32 of those flights are longer than 10hrs, only 12 are longer than 12 hours.
The 787-8 seats only five more than than the 767-300 and those seats are in the premium cabin. It’s a much more efficient airplane per seat mile. It’s downfall is acquisition cost and order backlog.
So no they are not the same category......I loved flying the 767, would be thrilled to get more and fly it again, but it is NOT a cheaper 787.
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11-07-2017, 07:35 AM
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It goes straight up to FL360 and will be at FL410 by the half way point at full weight. it cruises at .86 can do .90+. burns 50% of the fuel and can fly 4+ hours further with required reserves.
So no they are not the same category......I loved flying the 767, would be thrilled to get more and fly it again, but it is NOT a cheaper 787.
So no they are not the same category......I loved flying the 767, would be thrilled to get more and fly it again, but it is NOT a cheaper 787.
11-07-2017, 08:44 AM
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11-07-2017, 12:47 PM
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The argument pitting the 787 against the 767 without context is like saying that it's way better deliver pizzas around town in a Ferrari 488 Spider than in a Nissan Cube.
New flash: It IS way better. Faster delivery and acoustics for starters, but that doesn't exactly make the full case for it
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