New 767-300 coming?
11-10-2017, 07:18 AM
#112
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Originally Posted by Probe
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US carriers usually negotiate pretty brutally on discounts. A lot of small foreign carries pay a much higher price, but get a huge discount via ultra low interest rates via you and me funded Ex-Im bank. The average discount on a 737 and A320 are 54% off list price. The 65 737-700's were discounted 75% that we cancelled.
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US carriers usually negotiate pretty brutally on discounts. A lot of small foreign carries pay a much higher price, but get a huge discount via ultra low interest rates via you and me funded Ex-Im bank. The average discount on a 737 and A320 are 54% off list price. The 65 737-700's were discounted 75% that we cancelled.
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11-10-2017, 03:48 PM
#113
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It's not our job to keep the company cost competitive via contract offerings. It's our job secure the best contract we can. It's the company's job to provide contractual value $1 above which we'd walk away from this job. From that, cost competitiveness is born.
Assigning the contractual "good ol' days" to a 20% furlough doesn't tell the whole story does it? The dynamics leading to CH11 were a lot more complicated and not solely attributable to C2000. Blaming C2000 came from high above. It was a convenient little argument that rallied other employee groups against us and deflected management's ineptitude leading us to C11. The old divide and conquer we knew so well was in full force.
You can't have it both ways. In one post you say C2000 was garbage compared to what we have today. On the other, you assign the nail in our CH11 coffin because it was too expensive.
Management loves the pilot who wants to open their wallet. They are expending a lot of effort and money to convince us why we should. They'll bypass the union with direct pilot appeal.
Assigning the contractual "good ol' days" to a 20% furlough doesn't tell the whole story does it? The dynamics leading to CH11 were a lot more complicated and not solely attributable to C2000. Blaming C2000 came from high above. It was a convenient little argument that rallied other employee groups against us and deflected management's ineptitude leading us to C11. The old divide and conquer we knew so well was in full force.
You can't have it both ways. In one post you say C2000 was garbage compared to what we have today. On the other, you assign the nail in our CH11 coffin because it was too expensive.
Management loves the pilot who wants to open their wallet. They are expending a lot of effort and money to convince us why we should. They'll bypass the union with direct pilot appeal.
I can have it both ways. The old United had 100K+ employees and produced less than half the revenue that today's 80K employee workforce does. And no airline bled money like UAL after 9-11. My point is...I have no interest in some "manpower positive" work rule changes that take us back to the "good ol' days" and leave us venerable to the next downturn. I also have no interest in opening my wallet. Industry leading in compensation AND productivity is what we should strive for.
11-10-2017, 05:58 PM
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Wifi is generally unreliable (although has improved in the last three months). Reading lights (entire banks;30-50 seats) that won't turn on...or off, business class seats that won't lie flat, hand controls that don't work, or inflight entertainment that is inop. All problems that could be solved with an interior renovation.
11-11-2017, 09:22 AM
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Panasonic wifi is a great part of the issue, but not exclusive. I suspect it is the master cabin control panel gets load-shed (along with the galleys) sometimes during gate ops....and it often needs to be reset.
But otherwise? I think it's as comfortable and practical a ride as any other airliner I've ridden on in the last five years.
Worst? Last row of a 737-900....could not wait to get out; got kind of claustrophobic...and that has never happened to me before.
11-11-2017, 02:13 PM
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Was about to post the same thing
Room to do business work.
To be pampered.
). Reading lights (entire banks;30-50 seats) that won't turn on...or off, business class seats that won't lie flat, hand controls that don't work, or inflight entertainment that is inop. All problems that could be solved with an interior renovation..
Room to do business work.
To be pampered.
). Reading lights (entire banks;30-50 seats) that won't turn on...or off, business class seats that won't lie flat, hand controls that don't work, or inflight entertainment that is inop. All problems that could be solved with an interior renovation..
The -10's had the "pub". It was a big hit on a 4 Plus hour flight. Amazingly, those seats brought little premium. Oh yeah, microwave popcorn too! THAT was a crowd pleaser.
11-11-2017, 03:13 PM
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You also have to look at the routing of the aircraft. For example our IAD 787 flights across the Atlantic fit perfectly to keep high utilization on the aircraft.
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