HUGE Bid - 1803
10-28-2017, 10:11 PM
#151
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Factually inaccurate. The 756 pays more than the 737. Only the 737-8/9 pays the same as the 752. Also, the assumption is that 3 day trips on the 756 are all only 15 hours and 4 day trips on the guppy are all 21-24 hrs. Actually, 756 trips average more pay per day than the gupster does AND the plane pays more.
The ONLY advantage of the guppy is better seniority movement because 1) It pays less than 756 and 2) Lots of up and down flying instead of longer flights and shorter duty days on the 756 fleet.
The ONLY advantage of the guppy is better seniority movement because 1) It pays less than 756 and 2) Lots of up and down flying instead of longer flights and shorter duty days on the 756 fleet.
10-29-2017, 04:29 AM
#152
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: SFO Guppy CA
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SFO 756 flying is very boring and we do zero international flying. However, EWR 756 might be (arguably) the best category in the airline. EWR 756 does almost everything. They do Europe, South America, Hawaii, and domestic flying. No Asia, but that's not a surprise. If you choose the 756 in ground school, you can't move for a while and you'll be junior for a long time. The only place that you can go for two years, is to a wide body. Wide body bids are going around the 6000-8000 seniority. We now have approximately 12,700 pilots.
10-29-2017, 05:11 AM
#153
Guppy reserve EWR
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 501
He's attempting to argue the efficiency, for a commuter I suppose, is worse on the 756. In some respects he's right because there are far more 2 and 3 day trips on the 757. The junior lines on the 737 do in fact create a more commutable schedule with far more 4 day trips being available. And since a 73 pays the same as the 752, you're not making any more money with that transcon out of lax or sfo. It is possible to get 5 day domestics which the 73 doesn't have, but there aren't enough of those for a commuter to think he can bid just 5 days and be set.
10-29-2017, 09:05 AM
#154
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Guppy driver
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SFO 756 flying is very boring and we do zero international flying. However, EWR 756 might be (arguably) the best category in the airline. EWR 756 does almost everything. They do Europe, South America, Hawaii, and domestic flying. No Asia, but that's not a surprise. If you choose the 756 in ground school, you can't move for a while and you'll be junior for a long time. The only place that you can go for two years, is to a wide body. Wide body bids are going around the 6000-8000 seniority. We now have approximately 12,700 pilots.
One of my favorite pilots I flew with 15 years ago only did 2 day transcons from JFK to LAX. 18 hour layover. His overnight bag was not much more than a purse. He had a uniform shirt and pants, and layover shirt and pants (not the same LOL) at the laundry 100 yards from the layover hotel in Redondo. He would pick them up, use the layover cloths, and drop his layover cloths and dirty uniform the next morning.
I have done Europe, S America, and Asia. It was fun, for about 3-4 years. Now i want to do high time, mind-blowingly boring, 1 day turns, or 2 day transcons. And then go home and live my life.
I love boring as an airline pilot.
10-29-2017, 09:13 AM
#155
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I hated the Europe flying out of EWR. Relatively unproductive trips meant more days at work and the short legs combined with significant time zone changes made sleep a hit and miss affair. My understanding is So. America requires Stone Age, and Hawaii Jurassic, seniority. I'd rather do transcons than most Europe out of EWR. The caveat is if you can hold the longer, more productive Europe destinations, the picture changes dramatically. Ironically, many, if not most, find the double augmented flying on the 777 easier. I know I did. To each their own.
10-29-2017, 09:27 AM
#156
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Posts: 666
Would be nice if we could get 6 day trips. Don't see why they couldn't build those on the 75 for 6 transcons worth 35hrs. 2 of those for a 70hr month would be perfect for a commuter if you ask me.
10-29-2017, 10:29 AM
#157
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 756 left
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Would be nice but they'd never do it since they can't move days off as easily for reserves on a basic fleet. They would have to carry multiple 6 day reserves every day. Manpower positive for us but they'd never do it.
10-29-2017, 02:24 PM
#158
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Maybe someone with scheduling committee experience can chime in.
10-29-2017, 02:40 PM
#159
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Position: EWR 777 Captain
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Factually inaccurate. The 756 pays more than the 737. Only the 737-8/9 pays the same as the 752. Also, the assumption is that 3 day trips on the 756 are all only 15 hours and 4 day trips on the guppy are all 21-24 hrs. Actually, 756 trips average more pay per day than the gupster does AND the plane pays more.
The ONLY advantage of the guppy is better seniority movement because 1) It pays less than 756 and 2) Lots of up and down flying instead of longer flights and shorter duty days on the 756 fleet.
The ONLY advantage of the guppy is better seniority movement because 1) It pays less than 756 and 2) Lots of up and down flying instead of longer flights and shorter duty days on the 756 fleet.
I started this argument, and my point was that pay bands have changed and junior 756 pilots flying a line of domestic 757-200 stuff earn the same as 737 pilots so if you are a junior 737 pilot you have zero incentive to bid 756 and THAT is creating a MAJOR shift in new hire seats. Once upon a time, 756 flying was considered a step too big for most new hires, but now it appears that 756 positions for new hires will be frequent.
For the record 756, on average, does not have more credit than the 737 per day.
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