New Bid Out
10-04-2017, 04:57 AM
#82
Guppy reserve EWR
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 501
Why? I don't get that. If one goes out, one should go in. Right? Unless they're downsizing. So the last minute crap where the final looks so different than the snapshots is because why?
10-04-2017, 05:10 AM
#83
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 328
Check the min/max numbers on the bulletin.... The min numbers are less than the current pilot count. Therefore they are not required to backfill. Doesn't mean they won't, but just depends on what they want to do with the numbers there.
10-04-2017, 05:14 AM
#84
Guppy reserve EWR
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 501
I get that, but why change it at the last minute? Shouldn't a snapshot show what they would do at that moment? Dunno why I even bother. Just seems like it would help everyone involved.
10-04-2017, 05:20 AM
#85
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Joined APC: May 2008
Posts: 617
Same on the 756. We’re opening over 60 positions on it and not a single 756 backfill to another base...
10-04-2017, 05:31 AM
#86
Guppy reserve EWR
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 501
But the DEN 320 isn't new and there are quite a few moving out of it. 7 Captains and 6 FOs. My bet the final looks way different.
10-04-2017, 06:01 AM
#87
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10-04-2017, 06:34 AM
#89
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Position: 787
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Remember it is winter and reduced flying. Maybe they are trying to meter the pilots so they don't have to hire to many right now when we don't need them. Unfilled vacancies need to be filled within 3 months if they plan to do so. New hire classes are not planned (for now) until FEB, to get the new pilots on line for the summer schedule. There will be another bid before the new hire classes and it will most likely be bigger than this one with more NB CA bids and to top off all fleets for summer flying.
10-04-2017, 07:20 AM
#90
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I took another look at the min/max, and that's where the answer is.
If the number out drops a BES below the min, the backfill shows up on the snapshot. If it is still at min or above, the company isn't required to backfill regardless of how many bid out; thus, it isn't until the final that they post backfills above the min.
For instance, DEN 737 FO is 172 min/172 max. DEN 320 FO is 132 min/162 max. 7 guppy guys bid out, 7 come in on snapshot. 6 bus guys bid out, company can choose to do nothing or backfill 1-6 guys. So they'll wait to see how everything else shakes out before adjusting the new min/max and releasing the unfilled for new hires.
If the number out drops a BES below the min, the backfill shows up on the snapshot. If it is still at min or above, the company isn't required to backfill regardless of how many bid out; thus, it isn't until the final that they post backfills above the min.
For instance, DEN 737 FO is 172 min/172 max. DEN 320 FO is 132 min/162 max. 7 guppy guys bid out, 7 come in on snapshot. 6 bus guys bid out, company can choose to do nothing or backfill 1-6 guys. So they'll wait to see how everything else shakes out before adjusting the new min/max and releasing the unfilled for new hires.
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