New Bid Out
10-01-2017, 03:19 PM
#41
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2010
Position: EWR 777 Captain
Posts: 1,715
I will take the other side of the scab argument.
As a society we should strive to "rehabilitate" criminals.
With that thought in mind, I believe most folks would agree that crimes have a relative seriousness. Stealing one's job is serious, but, in my opinion, not worthy of a lifetime penalty. Some scabs with whom I have flown are reprehensible on their own merit today, others are not.
If you disagree, I ask you to read The Scarlet Letter.
I do not believe crossing a picket line is a lifetime offense. I believe there is room for forgiveness at some point in time. '
Witness the discussion among New Hires on the perception of an overly aggressive ALPA introduction as evidence that focusing on the past too much can be counter productive.
As a society we should strive to "rehabilitate" criminals.
With that thought in mind, I believe most folks would agree that crimes have a relative seriousness. Stealing one's job is serious, but, in my opinion, not worthy of a lifetime penalty. Some scabs with whom I have flown are reprehensible on their own merit today, others are not.
If you disagree, I ask you to read The Scarlet Letter.
I do not believe crossing a picket line is a lifetime offense. I believe there is room for forgiveness at some point in time. '
Witness the discussion among New Hires on the perception of an overly aggressive ALPA introduction as evidence that focusing on the past too much can be counter productive.
10-01-2017, 03:33 PM
#42
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 666
LOL. You're smoking crack dude. Usually I enjoy your posts but prep yourself for the flames inbound. Furthermore, there is no convo about forgiveness to be had until the seniority gained from scabbing is given back.
10-01-2017, 03:57 PM
#43
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
I will take the other side of the scab argument.
As a society we should strive to "rehabilitate" criminals.
With that thought in mind, I believe most folks would agree that crimes have a relative seriousness. Stealing one's job is serious, but, in my opinion, not worthy of a lifetime penalty. Some scabs with whom I have flown are reprehensible on their own merit today, others are not.
If you disagree, I ask you to read The Scarlet Letter.
I do not believe crossing a picket line is a lifetime offense. I believe there is room for forgiveness at some point in time. '
Witness the discussion among New Hires on the perception of an overly aggressive ALPA introduction as evidence that focusing on the past too much can be counter productive.
As a society we should strive to "rehabilitate" criminals.
With that thought in mind, I believe most folks would agree that crimes have a relative seriousness. Stealing one's job is serious, but, in my opinion, not worthy of a lifetime penalty. Some scabs with whom I have flown are reprehensible on their own merit today, others are not.
If you disagree, I ask you to read The Scarlet Letter.
I do not believe crossing a picket line is a lifetime offense. I believe there is room for forgiveness at some point in time. '
Witness the discussion among New Hires on the perception of an overly aggressive ALPA introduction as evidence that focusing on the past too much can be counter productive.
IT has to be lifetime Joe. Since 1983 (CAL) and 1985 (UAL) they have been stealing vacation, holidays, weekends, lines, CA seats, WB Seats, destinations, thousands of dollars a year, not only the jobs from the strike but the jobs of the furloughed pilots and the pilots who didn't get hired after the strike years. To top it all off they will steal your seat when non reving once retired because they have more seniority than you.
They didn't just steal a job when they crossed the line they stole EVERYTHING from you, me......everybody thats important in this career until the day they are dead. Scabs live the high life making 350 grand a year flying a WB around the world because pilots walked out to fight for that. They need to be reminded that they are terrible people.
10-01-2017, 05:31 PM
#44
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 621
I will take the other side of the scab argument.
As a society we should strive to "rehabilitate" criminals.
With that thought in mind, I believe most folks would agree that crimes have a relative seriousness. Stealing one's job is serious, but, in my opinion, not worthy of a lifetime penalty. Some scabs with whom I have flown are reprehensible on their own merit today, others are not.
If you disagree, I ask you to read The Scarlet Letter.
I do not believe crossing a picket line is a lifetime offense. I believe there is room for forgiveness at some point in time. '
Witness the discussion among New Hires on the perception of an overly aggressive ALPA introduction as evidence that focusing on the past too much can be counter productive.
As a society we should strive to "rehabilitate" criminals.
With that thought in mind, I believe most folks would agree that crimes have a relative seriousness. Stealing one's job is serious, but, in my opinion, not worthy of a lifetime penalty. Some scabs with whom I have flown are reprehensible on their own merit today, others are not.
If you disagree, I ask you to read The Scarlet Letter.
I do not believe crossing a picket line is a lifetime offense. I believe there is room for forgiveness at some point in time. '
Witness the discussion among New Hires on the perception of an overly aggressive ALPA introduction as evidence that focusing on the past too much can be counter productive.
10-01-2017, 05:39 PM
#46
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2015
Position: 75/76 Left
Posts: 41
IT has to be lifetime Joe. Since 1983 (CAL) and 1985 (UAL) they have been stealing vacation, holidays, weekends, lines, CA seats, WB Seats, destinations, thousands of dollars a year, not only the jobs from the strike but the jobs of the furloughed pilots and the pilots who didn't get hired after the strike years. To top it all off they will steal your seat when non reving once retired because they have more seniority than you.
They didn't just steal a job when they crossed the line they stole EVERYTHING from you, me......everybody thats important in this career until the day they are dead. Scabs live the high life making 350 grand a year flying a WB around the world because pilots walked out to fight for that. They need to be reminded that they are terrible people.
They didn't just steal a job when they crossed the line they stole EVERYTHING from you, me......everybody thats important in this career until the day they are dead. Scabs live the high life making 350 grand a year flying a WB around the world because pilots walked out to fight for that. They need to be reminded that they are terrible people.
Want forgiveness? Get religion, and give back the seniority stolen from our brothers and sisters.
10-01-2017, 05:52 PM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,808
I will take the other side of the scab argument.
As a society we should strive to "rehabilitate" criminals.
With that thought in mind, I believe most folks would agree that crimes have a relative seriousness. Stealing one's job is serious, but, in my opinion, not worthy of a lifetime penalty. Some scabs with whom I have flown are reprehensible on their own merit today, others are not.
If you disagree, I ask you to read The Scarlet Letter.
I do not believe crossing a picket line is a lifetime offense. I believe there is room for forgiveness at some point in time. '
Witness the discussion among New Hires on the perception of an overly aggressive ALPA introduction as evidence that focusing on the past too much can be counter productive.
As a society we should strive to "rehabilitate" criminals.
With that thought in mind, I believe most folks would agree that crimes have a relative seriousness. Stealing one's job is serious, but, in my opinion, not worthy of a lifetime penalty. Some scabs with whom I have flown are reprehensible on their own merit today, others are not.
If you disagree, I ask you to read The Scarlet Letter.
I do not believe crossing a picket line is a lifetime offense. I believe there is room for forgiveness at some point in time. '
Witness the discussion among New Hires on the perception of an overly aggressive ALPA introduction as evidence that focusing on the past too much can be counter productive.
When I had a flight bag, I had a decal that said "9/11 - Never Forget, Never Forgive". I wouldn't forgive a 9/11 terrorist, nor will I ever forget. Scabs terrorized our careers for money, not a belief in country or religion. Who deserves more contempt?
Prater was wrong, and so are you, we don't have to put the scab issue behind us. f those guys.
10-01-2017, 07:02 PM
#49
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Posts: 5,725
10-01-2017, 07:21 PM
#50
Squawking 2000
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Position: Skeptical
Posts: 737
I've heard a lot of comments over the recent years which do give me pause.
..."i've been hired to turn this company around for the better."
..."i'm here to change the pilot culture."
..."the cpo is my friend and the union not so much."
..."i was 3 when the strike occurred, scabs don't affect me and it's time to let it go."
..."i'm not like those United pilots who were here in 2000."
... when enforcing the contract "the cpo might get upset."
..."if you refuse the airplane, you're going to inconvenience a lot of passengers."
I could go on but the above is a fairly good sample.
..."i've been hired to turn this company around for the better."
..."i'm here to change the pilot culture."
..."the cpo is my friend and the union not so much."
..."i was 3 when the strike occurred, scabs don't affect me and it's time to let it go."
..."i'm not like those United pilots who were here in 2000."
... when enforcing the contract "the cpo might get upset."
..."if you refuse the airplane, you're going to inconvenience a lot of passengers."
I could go on but the above is a fairly good sample.
Yet another reason why we should make every effort possible to bring up those with the greatest number of years experience in this industry:
When all the talk is done and the call to action is put out, you’ll find no others more locked and loaded ready to fight the good fight.
Not because we have more integrity than any other pilot out there, but because we have no illusions having been roasted on a spit for the lost decade with you, and because we feel it in our bones as the clear and present danger that it is.
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