Sunvox

You win MOD of the Year!!!

I'm peeing in my pants I'm laughing so hard!!!

awax

I hate it when scabs bid anything using their stolen seniority. How’d I do?

UAL T38 Phlyer

Not so good.

baseball

Simple Answer: ALPA went to CAL with the miracle lure. Promising the CAL pilots access to the ALPA tool box. The real purple elephant in the room was a likely CAL-DAL merger. Balloon went up a few times. ALPA merger and fragmentation policy was talked about. It was an important topic for the more junior CAL pilots, but not the more senior.

Scabs took over CAL ALPA due to furloughed pilots who were not on property and no longer eligible to vote following 2002 layoffs and POS CBA 02 concessions. This POS was ratified in 05.

ALPA bought the votes of the CAL scabs by promising to forgive them. It was the ALPA promise of forgiveness that secured the CAL scabs vote. Those SCABS did not care about ALPA merger policy or the alpa tool box. They only cared about being taken back into the fold.

The IACP came into being once the Ops Group was deemed ineffective at moving the ball. The Ops Group was controlled by management. This group came into being as an informal group to control and manipulate the pilots while simultaneously giving them the feeling they had input. IACP was effective in most respects, and limited in some respects. It's legislative affairs group was highly effective.

Before Ops Group there was nothing due to the void left at CAL when ALPA was decertified and beaten by Lorenzo. I would love to know the official count. How many SCABS at UAL vs. those at CAL. Just for educational purposes of course.

baseball

1. ALPA came crawling to the IACP begging for certification as the CAL bargaining unit. IACP was content to be independent.

2. The NON-Scabs didn't get to allow the scabs into ALPA on their shirt-tails. You voted and the votes were counted. ALPA came to the IACP and promised the SCABS to forgive them if they voted in ALPA. many NON-SCABS voted NO specifically to oppose this move by ALPA. ALPA knew it had to legally allow the scabs to vote and since they had to allow their vote per DOL/DOJ law, they found a way to appeal to them. This was largely in part to the fact they would get both the IACP war chest (9 million I think), and present and future dues moneys.

3. No one who was former CAL has ever defended the SCABS. If you were a 77-79 hire, you just ignored the scabs. If you were a Scab, then you hung out with your scab buddies and patted yourself on the back. If you were a post strike hire by CAL, you had to find a way to get along. That is until you upgraded and could do things the way you saw fit. Both the pre strike hires, and the post strike hires are all good people and have tried to make lemonade where clearly Lorenzo, McCoy, Abbot, and Starley served up sour lemons continually attempting to divide and conquer the CAL pilots by leveraging relationships within the Ops Group, IACP, and the new-ALPA.

4. There was no "hand-book" or you-tube video to watch by those attempting to put the CAL pilots back on the right track. We knew we needed a union to move the ball while trying to protect our pilots. Ops Group had limitations. IACP was getting the job done, but in the Post 9-11 environment of survival of the fittest it seemed wise for the fish to start swimming together for self protection. Hence, the logical move to join ALPA. Absent 9-11, I think ALPA would not have been successful at courting the CAL pilots. The senior would still not care, the scabs would still be self-absorbed, the junior would still be looking at fast upgrade times.

5. It's only a matter of time before the SCABS will be gone. This was my feeling and sentiment when I hired on at CAL, and it's still my sentiment today as a UAL pilot. I can't control it, so I don't worry about it. Not a factor in my daily life as a pilot.

6. This is a job, not a marriage. I don't recommend anyone harboring ill-will or hurt feelings for 40 years. You will be a bitter and ugly person both in the cockpit and outside of it. The strike wasn't my fault, and the aftermath most certainly beyond our control. The government, ALPA, and CAL management all played a part in 1983. Most assuredly, the picket-line crossers made their choice. They have to live with their dishonor.

tailwheel48

Most accurate post on the subject ever!

AllenAllert

History has already disputed this little slice. Impressed with your format and spelling - Bless your little heart for trying.

cadetdrivr

Um, not quite.

Althought I'm not nearly familiar enough with the internal IACP history to reasonably judge everything mentioned, it's a HUGE red flag when something as significant as this on the timeline is misrepresented.

IACP and ALPA merged prior to 9/11. (source)

JoePatroni

It wasn't 9/11 that precipitated the merger with ALPA movement, it was the "almost" merger with Delta that got the wheels turning. The sentiment at the time was, it looked like there was going to be mergers on the horizon and it would be much better to be an ALPA carrier than a non-ALPA carrier when they happened. The rest of that post is factual as I remember it.

cadetdrivr

That’s certainly plausible to me.

As mentioned, I wasn’t there so I can only go on the history as shared by others.