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09-20-2017, 03:56 AM
#43
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No to scope relief. I would go the opposite way, re-take lost ground and re-take scope. Put the money back in the pockets to those that have supported ALPA through the lean times.
09-20-2017, 05:22 AM
#44
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So 35 days of vacation easily becomes 70 paid days off per year.
We may get more vacation days, but they get more paid days off because of drops.
Last edited by terminal; 09-20-2017 at 05:42 AM.
09-20-2017, 05:24 AM
#45
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Are those extra moneys earned exempt from union dues? I don't think so. ALPA still gets paid if you pick up a trip. ALPA still gets paid even if the job is out-sourced or "scoped". If ALPA pilots, at majors or at regionals fly from A to B, then ALPA still gets paid, although it could be at a lower percentage if a regional is flying the route.
No to scope relief. I would go the opposite way, re-take lost ground and re-take scope. Put the money back in the pockets to those that have supported ALPA through the lean times.
No to scope relief. I would go the opposite way, re-take lost ground and re-take scope. Put the money back in the pockets to those that have supported ALPA through the lean times.
For the first half: if a Skywest RJ or Republic is flying that leg, ALPA doesn’t get paid-they’re not ALPA carriers.
Bottom line is that there’s a better system out there...we get entrenched in our current system because it’s “our system”
Last edited by terminal; 09-20-2017 at 05:35 AM.
09-20-2017, 07:04 AM
#46
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The trick is to make the reserve line group as restrictive as you will accept, before the bid group fails and PBS moves on to the next group.
09-20-2017, 07:35 AM
#47
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Giving away scope hurts my job. Why would I give away scope?
Scope protection is 100% in keeping with what I stated.
Bring a 100 seater or negotiate a pay rate for the 75.
We should never have gotten rid of those pilot jobs that WERE in house.
Not allowing me to fly on my vacation does one thing- causes a greater manpower requirement just for the sake of doing so...there's just a tad bit of difference befwen scope and letting guys pickup.
Heck I'll even make the stretch of an argument that not picking up and/or limiting your hours causes the company to outsource.
Scope protection is 100% in keeping with what I stated.
Bring a 100 seater or negotiate a pay rate for the 75.
We should never have gotten rid of those pilot jobs that WERE in house.
Not allowing me to fly on my vacation does one thing- causes a greater manpower requirement just for the sake of doing so...there's just a tad bit of difference befwen scope and letting guys pickup.
Heck I'll even make the stretch of an argument that not picking up and/or limiting your hours causes the company to outsource.
09-20-2017, 09:00 AM
#48
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You can't really call someone stupid and misspell galactically in the same breath without explaining why. Not only that, but narrow and galactically are antonyms so pick one and stick it to it.
I see another airline across town from us in Houston that has a vacation that is exponentially better than ours...AND don't have any scope relaxations at all....yeah we have a lot of other work rules that are better...but if you're going to tell me I am stupid, at least provide an argument or a reason why...and why a SWA guy can make 100k in a MONTH on vacation, and I am basically capped.
The pure acceptance of our system is what's stupid.
I see another airline across town from us in Houston that has a vacation that is exponentially better than ours...AND don't have any scope relaxations at all....yeah we have a lot of other work rules that are better...but if you're going to tell me I am stupid, at least provide an argument or a reason why...and why a SWA guy can make 100k in a MONTH on vacation, and I am basically capped.
The pure acceptance of our system is what's stupid.
Last edited by terminal; 09-20-2017 at 09:29 AM.
09-20-2017, 09:52 AM
#49
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But it's clear, you pay dues to protect your job. You don't pay dues to create future jobs.
Which means you're content with the current scope, NOT further recapture.
09-20-2017, 10:33 AM
#50
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Scope Recapture protects and strengthens our jobs...job creation is a byproduct of that.
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