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Old 09-07-2017, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
I wasn't jump seating.
Company I work for buys me a regular full fare ticket.
So I'm a real "paying" passenger if that makes a difference to you and out of 150 this decision inconvenienced at the very least half the pax on board.
Now they don't know any better so they wouldn't question the decision.
Since I'm type rated on a 73 and having flown it 121 for a year I do know.
So excuse me for asking a question about a decision that inconvenienced ( that's polite speak for the French expression "effed up") half the pax.
We on the same sheet of music now?

The flight came in 20 min early.
Does United flight crew generally do a postflight? Does contract MX do the postflight? If that is two yes why did the outbound crew discover the problem?
I'm questioning the necessity of the length of the idea NOT THE SAFETY DECISION to replace the tire.
But at least a few people didn't do what they were supposed to do.



Being a Capt at United doesn't make you holy and infallible buddy.
Get off your high horse.
I asked a legitimate question.

Besides I'm a paahlot.
We're supposed to complain and whine.
So why are you so interested in the issue and how would you handle it captain?
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Old 09-07-2017, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ecam

Something about embarking passengers rocking a plane on jacks and all…
Ok now we're getting somewhere, thanks.
Also APU not being able to keep the cabin cool, I can go with that.
But more of an explanation would have been nice.
And catching that tire sooner.
It's hard to explain if you werent there but it just felt the guy wanted to make a statement towards the company more then anything else.
We all know those guys.
Anyway, with some therapy provided by government paid healthcare I should be able to get over it.
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
I wasn't jump seating.
Company I work for buys me a regular full fare ticket.
So I'm a real "paying" passenger if that makes a difference to you and out of 150 this decision inconvenienced at the very least half the pax on board.
Now they don't know any better so they wouldn't question the decision.
Since I'm type rated on a 73 and having flown it 121 for a year I do know.
So excuse me for asking a question about a decision that inconvenienced ( that's polite speak for the French expression "effed up") half the pax.
We on the same sheet of music now?

The flight came in 20 min early.
Does United flight crew generally do a postflight? Does contract MX do the postflight? If that is two yes why did the outbound crew discover the problem?
I'm questioning the necessity of the length of the idea NOT THE SAFETY DECISION to replace the tire.
But at least a few people didn't do what they were supposed to do.



Being a Capt at United doesn't make you holy and infallible buddy.
Get off your high horse.
I asked a legitimate question.

Besides I'm a paahlot.
We're supposed to complain and whine.
Well, if you supposedly "know", then why are you asking the question?

No postflight inspection for crew. The departing crew does a preflight inspection. I believe this is the same at all majors. I've never seen a crew do a post flight at any major I've ever ridden on. And we don't have maintenance in MIA so how could you expect them to do a postflight? So you're assertion that "at least a few people didn't do what they were supposed to do" is horse dung. But keep slinging those accusations.

I'm not going to waste any more time on this issue, but as I mentioned before, I consider it weird to come on a message board and complain about a Captain's decision.... especially when you don't even know if the Captain MADE the decision. Sorry the tire needed changing. Sorry that we don't have line maintenance in MIA. As I explained in my first reply, which you ignored, there are several reasons why the decision to stop boarding could have been made. I've had occasions when changing tires was allowed with folks on board and it took 30 min. I've also had occasions when we had to deplane because both tires on one side needed to be changed. There are rules for how long we can have people on the airplane without having to offer egress. You get to that limit and then you have to offer an off, even if you are about to button up and go. So it's a dance that we do to try to accommodate people as best we can within the rules of passenger advocacy groups, the MEL, and the FAR's. It's not always a simple decision. Read again; I never said you were a Jumpseater, just that you were commuting. Which is what you said you were doing. I still find it weird that you would come onto a board and sling accusations veiled as "questions" (which you seem to think you have all the answers to) about something you don't have any information about.

You say you asked a legitimate question, and you were given several legitimate answers as to why it could have been done that way. But you didn't want an answer. You wanted to come on here and whine about the fact that there was a maintenance issue on an airplane you were traveling on and you were delayed. I commute. It sucks when there are delays, and I get that as I live it all the time on the 4 different airlines I commute on. Doesn't matter whether it's a paid ticket or not, delayed getting home is delayed getting home. But to come on a airline forum and act like the Captain and/or the airline made a "bad decision" with how they handled a delay is really a strange thing for a pilot to do. Congrats on your year on the 737. I hope that you get a little mentoring and perspective along the way because frankly you sound like you need it. As someone who has commuted for what I suspect is longer than you've been alive, my unsolicited advice is to relax. It's going to get MUCH worse than someone making a decision to hold off on boarding during a tire change to try to keep people from being overly hot or uncomfortable on a POS Guppy.
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:29 AM
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SWA guy here, FWIW....

Our policy has ebbbed & flowed on this in recent years but I think the latest iteration requires pax boarding to stop for tire changes on an -800. Not so for a -300/-700.

To the OP, sorry your commute got screwed up, but 'dems da breaks....if you've done it for any length of time you know there will sometimes be days like that. Bad form to bag on the crew for taking what sounds like the safer choice.
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
And we don't have maintenance in MIA so how could you expect them to do a postflight?
We do have company maintenance in Miami.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:06 PM
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@ gettingbumped,

Reading comprehension isn't your biggest forte is it?
When I had a tire change it was in Miami and if those contract clowns can do it in 35 min for a 121(s) while they're not the pinnacle of efficiency.
The United tire change was in RSW.

Why you riding my @ss?
How did you respond in the "go-around from the jumpseat" thread?
You're getting a free ride so just sit there and die like a man?
Don't question "ze commandant"?

And for your info I flew AA from ORD to PDX after this United rebooking fiasco and the FO put on his safety vest and stepped out for a "postflight" in PDX.
That's right...after landing.

As far as bad form, I'm not sh!tting on the decision to change it, rather on how it got handled.
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
@ gettingbumped,
rather on how it got handled.
Dude

You're a newbie to this industry and all your single year qualifies you to do is be part of the crew, not lead it.

Now you've been called out and immediately counter accuse and use foul language, which is not quite kosher nor becoming.

Neither you nor I have any idea why the things went the way they did and you've been given more than enough explanations of various scenarios about how a tire change could be handled from a customer service point of view.

Again, ultimately if you didn't think things were correct you should have expressed your displeasure in a mature way when it happened. Of course you might of actually have gotten an explanation from the horse's mouth rather than this back-door attempt to justify your opinion of his or her decision making. But, then you might have realized the Captain did not purposely do anything to ruin you or the other's day with the maintenance delay. I would even submit this person was looking out for both your safety and comfort that day, but that was not on your radar.

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Without having the skipper here to answer your questions,
how in all Hades to you expect to get the explanation? Justifiably as all airline pilots tend to do, we trust the judgement of the crew and find it bad form to suggest you were delayed by a bitter employee out to screw you. So yes you are fecaling on his/her's decision.

Be interested to hear from AA guy if 'post flights' are actually required. Thankfully left that behind in legacy world long ago.
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11

Be interested to hear from AA guy if 'post flights' are actually required. Thankfully left that behind in legacy world long ago.
AA guy here: Post flights are required on the last flight of the day at non-mx stations. It is annotated on our release if a post flight is required.
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Originally Posted by viper548
AA guy here: Post flights are required on the last flight of the day at non-mx stations. It is annotated on our release if a post flight is required.
From the Book of Common Wisdom: The earlier you discover a grounding item, the less your chance of getting stuck in Hooterville.
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