Forget new unis... 35- 756 Cappy slots DEN
10-03-2017, 01:48 AM
#121
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Agree Hoss.
If my memory serves me (it is hit and miss), most of the mid to late 90's civilian hires at UAL had well north of 5000 hours. I don't know what the average was but I bet it was above 7000 or 8000. Flying cancelled checks, cargo, corporate, flight instructing. Many did all of the above.
The lower time guys were like me, ex-mil. We all averaged early to mid 30's and by the late 90's they hired a fair number of 45-55 year old mil retirees.
My class was 50/50 civ/military at the end of 95.
If my memory serves me (it is hit and miss), most of the mid to late 90's civilian hires at UAL had well north of 5000 hours. I don't know what the average was but I bet it was above 7000 or 8000. Flying cancelled checks, cargo, corporate, flight instructing. Many did all of the above.
The lower time guys were like me, ex-mil. We all averaged early to mid 30's and by the late 90's they hired a fair number of 45-55 year old mil retirees.
My class was 50/50 civ/military at the end of 95.
10-03-2017, 03:19 AM
#122
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Position: EWR 777 Captain
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Agree Hoss.
If my memory serves me (it is hit and miss), most of the mid to late 90's civilian hires at UAL had well north of 5000 hours. I don't know what the average was but I bet it was above 7000 or 8000. Flying cancelled checks, cargo, corporate, flight instructing. Many did all of the above.
The lower time guys were like me, ex-mil. We all averaged early to mid 30's and by the late 90's they hired a fair number of 45-55 year old mil retirees.
My class was 50/50 civ/military at the end of 95.
If my memory serves me (it is hit and miss), most of the mid to late 90's civilian hires at UAL had well north of 5000 hours. I don't know what the average was but I bet it was above 7000 or 8000. Flying cancelled checks, cargo, corporate, flight instructing. Many did all of the above.
The lower time guys were like me, ex-mil. We all averaged early to mid 30's and by the late 90's they hired a fair number of 45-55 year old mil retirees.
My class was 50/50 civ/military at the end of 95.
10-03-2017, 03:26 AM
#123
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I flew with someone (756 FO) who was at a regional only 18 months. Regional FO. Hadn't had the opportunity yet to upgrade at a regional and was hired at UAL with 2000 hours TT. I believe he was 26.
10-03-2017, 06:45 AM
#124
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Things were different. Folks who came up in the 80's and 90's generally were not flying highly automated aircraft. That being said I am not making a judgement as to which experiential skill set is more valid. I am saying that the 200 hour wonder RJ guy had not been invented yet. If that guy did exist he or she was a rarity in the mid 90's.
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10-03-2017, 06:54 AM
#125
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Good point.. A 40 hour month off the back of the carrier was a lot more flying experience than 90 hours spent at cruise with the autopilot on.
10-03-2017, 07:18 AM
#126
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10-03-2017, 07:45 AM
#127
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Agree Hoss.
If my memory serves me (it is hit and miss), most of the mid to late 90's civilian hires at UAL had well north of 5000 hours. I don't know what the average was but I bet it was above 7000 or 8000. Flying cancelled checks, cargo, corporate, flight instructing. Many did all of the above.
The lower time guys were like me, ex-mil. We all averaged early to mid 30's and by the late 90's they hired a fair number of 45-55 year old mil retirees.
My class was 50/50 civ/military at the end of 95.
If my memory serves me (it is hit and miss), most of the mid to late 90's civilian hires at UAL had well north of 5000 hours. I don't know what the average was but I bet it was above 7000 or 8000. Flying cancelled checks, cargo, corporate, flight instructing. Many did all of the above.
The lower time guys were like me, ex-mil. We all averaged early to mid 30's and by the late 90's they hired a fair number of 45-55 year old mil retirees.
My class was 50/50 civ/military at the end of 95.
10-03-2017, 08:13 AM
#128
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Mmmm . . . depends on what you mean by "ton". When I retire there will be 300 and something guys senior to me. I was exactly 30 when I got hired so that would imply that as of April '96 United had hired less than 300 guys under 30 because some of the folks ahead of me now came from the Cal list. I personally know 3. They were all interns. Of course I can't say anything about hiring in the second half of '96.
10-03-2017, 08:25 AM
#129
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Mmmm . . . depends on what you mean by "ton". When I retire there will be 300 and something guys senior to me. I was exactly 30 when I got hired so that would imply that as of April '96 United had hired less than 300 guys under 30 because some of the folks ahead of me now came from the Cal list. I personally know 3. They were all interns. Of course I can't say anything about hiring in the second half of '96.
Bottom line we are not in unprecedented times. In fact not even close, there are only 37 pilots under the age of 30 on property today and only 1 below 25, I stoped counting how many were hired below the age of 25 from 92-97 at UA.
10-03-2017, 08:26 AM
#130
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Mmmm . . . depends on what you mean by "ton". When I retire there will be 300 and something guys senior to me. I was exactly 30 when I got hired so that would imply that as of April '96 United had hired less than 300 guys under 30 because some of the folks ahead of me now came from the Cal list. I personally know 3. They were all interns. Of course I can't say anything about hiring in the second half of '96.
There was one guy younger than me in my class. He had been a Dash-8 captain and had multiple thousands of hours of turbine PIC. So of those hired younger than age 29 I would say the majority had serious experience. Of coures it's a bell curve with pointy ends of the extreme minority on either side. We had a UPS, TWA and SWA guy in my class as well, all with well north of 10,000 hours.
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