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Old 09-30-2017, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Probe
The view out the window is the same on every airplane, except maybe the 50 year old little slits in the nose of the uber guppy. And it sits only slightly higher than the plane captain taxiing into the gate, The flying isn't the fault of the airplane, but of the scheduling airline.
Lots of Jetblue and VA guys fly 19-20 days off a month, 1 day turns. On the opposite side of the world, a lot of Asian carriers do short/medium haul on the 330/340/777/787/A380.

It ain't the jet, it is how it is scheduled. The worst scheduling is high TAFB, lots of WOCL's. The best, at least for me, is very low TAFB, and no WOCL's.

My dream job is a bunch of high time, one day trips. 100 hours TAFB. 75 hours.
One day turns to Narita aren't going to happen . We used to have SFO-CDG 3 day trips on the 767 worth 22+ hours, but FAR 117 forced it into a 4 day trip. While we had those 3 days, it was possible to fly a full month with three Paris trips and one Transcon for a total of 11 work days. I could have flown that schedule forever.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ReadyRsv
German über ‘over,’ after Übermensch.

A guppy is a 737 and uber guppy is one that barely flies and holds like 200 people now.
And pays the same as the mighty 757 with great flying and variety.

I salute and encourage all to bid and fly other planes.

You are right. It barely flies.

Avoid it.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by rp2pilot
We used to have SFO-CDG 3 day trips on the 767 worth 22+ hours, but FAR 117 forced it into a 4 day trip. While we had those 3 days, it was possible to fly a full month with three Paris trips and one Transcon for a total of 11 work days. I could have flown that schedule forever.
Remember...lets add a bit of detail. Yes FAR 117 forced it to a 4 day. UAL chose to go cheap on the crew rest seat, and....required a waiver to get classified as a class 2 rest seat. ALPA told the company the rest seat wasn't adequate. If it had been, CDG would have stayed a 3-day trip. I wrote a fatigue report every single time I had to use that seat. And then you get the screaming kid right behind the curtain, or the flt attendants yelling at each other, or hitting the seat with the cart constantly.

When the 777 flies CDG, it is a 3-day.
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Old 09-30-2017, 07:57 AM
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Remember...lets add a bit of detail. Yes FAR 117 forced it to a 4 day. UAL chose to go cheap on the crew rest seat, and....required a waiver to get classified as a class 2 rest seat. ALPA told the company the rest seat wasn't adequate. If it had been, CDG would have stayed a 3-day trip. I wrote a fatigue report every single time I had to use that seat. And then you get the screaming kid right behind the curtain, or the flt attendants yelling at each other, or hitting the seat with the cart constantly.

When the 777 flies CDG, it is a 3-day.
Thanks for the extra info! I bid off the fleet shortly after the trip went to 4 days so I never thoroughly investigated exactly why FAR 117 forced it into a 4day trip. The people that flew it as a 4day said that it was harder on the body than as a 3day.
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Old 09-30-2017, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
This stupid thing Boeing built, rather than coming up with a new/modern narrow body.


So the Boeing 737 MAX 10?
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Old 09-30-2017, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ItnStln
So the Boeing 737 MAX 10?
Same pig, more lipstick....
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Old 09-30-2017, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragon7
And pays the same as the mighty 757 with great flying and variety.

I salute and encourage all to bid and fly other planes.

You are right. It barely flies.

Avoid it.
This, right here.

You'd much rather pull gear on a real airplane than have to be boss on a guppy. Especially the super-duper-uber geometrically unfeasable ones we have to fly.

They're too loud.
They're too cramped.
They put a SECOND jumpseat in the new ones!
They are still using the same Master Caution Panel (and headset) they used on the Apollo capsule.
The long ones are underpowered.
All of them are underbraked.

And the schedules are the worst. You either can't commute in, or can't commute out, or both, or you're spending half the day getting across town to LGA. The overnights are either the bare legal minimum, or so long you forget how to fly on the layover. Or its a day trip that checks in too early or released too late to add it on to an uncommutable multi day.


Forget the guppy, its just bad news, man.
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Old 09-30-2017, 05:19 PM
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I was simply responding to someone pretending not to understand what an uber-guppy was. I'm sure I'll fly it sometime, but for now I'll take the comfort-wagon that pays the same!
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Old 09-30-2017, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadyRsv
I was simply responding to someone pretending not to understand what an uber-guppy was. I'm sure I'll fly it sometime, but for now I'll take the comfort-wagon that pays the same!
You just learned a valuable lesson. Guppy babies are sensitive about their special little airplane.
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Old 10-01-2017, 12:22 AM
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You just learned a valuable lesson. Guppy babies are sensitive about their special little airplane.
That is 'cause they got out of college and went straight to an RJ, 3 years later they were in a 737. To them, they are livin the dream. Worse, they act entitled to it. And they haven't turned 28 yet.

Ah, the Children of the Magenta Line.......
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