C-Series still a possibility?
08-22-2017, 02:19 PM
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08-22-2017, 04:51 PM
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Sure that is possible. However, I've said elsewhere lately I don't think we are in any hurry to make a deal on brand new smaller aircraft... and neither BA or AB are offering us viable choices now anyways. Someday we'll need something to start replacing 73Gs and 319s but that day is at least five years away. Interestingly, I think both Bombardier and Embraer are spoken for through about the next five years anyways.
08-22-2017, 04:52 PM
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Yes they can get more 76 seat airplanes, but it's not one for one. It's 1:1.25 (rounded to the closest integer) 1-C-1-g. A total of 325 76 seaters is max.
08-22-2017, 04:59 PM
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True it would result in more 76 seaters, but if that were to happen para 1-C-1-g of the contract specifies a formula for the corresponding removal of 50 seaters from flying. The formula is not one for one and I'm not going to try and decipher it now on an empty stomach. So, I'm not at all sure it would be a lose/lose.
08-22-2017, 06:51 PM
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Economics are important, but so are ergonomics... Why should premium-paying business passengers care about flying on a new airplane like the CSeries when they could fly on legacy 737-700/800s instead?
That's what this European consultant asked and he made a video about his first impressions of the SWISS CS100 (check out his reaction to the CSeries after the flight):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sthoNr81QlI
My personal opinion is that the Airbus is more comfortable than the 737-700/800/900, but the CSeries should be even more comfortable than the Airbus. Once you set the bar high with the CSeries, business travelers probably won't be happy when returning to the standard 737-700/800 tube...
That's what this European consultant asked and he made a video about his first impressions of the SWISS CS100 (check out his reaction to the CSeries after the flight):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sthoNr81QlI
My personal opinion is that the Airbus is more comfortable than the 737-700/800/900, but the CSeries should be even more comfortable than the Airbus. Once you set the bar high with the CSeries, business travelers probably won't be happy when returning to the standard 737-700/800 tube...
08-22-2017, 07:10 PM
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The CSeries would help your profit sharing much more than the dinosaur new guppies would have. I applaude the desicion to not buy a 40 year old new plane, that would only continue to fall behind our competitors. Even at the short term expense of my own upgrade, gotta play the long game.
08-23-2017, 08:10 AM
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The CSeries would help your profit sharing much more than the dinosaur new guppies would have. I applaude the desicion to not buy a 40 year old new plane, that would only continue to fall behind our competitors. Even at the short term expense of my own upgrade, gotta play the long game.
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08-23-2017, 10:38 AM
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Really Grumble? So Delta must REALLY be in the hurt locker with all their old, outdated dilapidated equipment, right? Shiny jet syndrome at its finest. You'd rather make $40/hour less flying one of these dream machines and get an extra $10 on your yearly profit sharing check then get 65, industry leading pay aircraft. Those airframes were available immediately and going to be right off the assembly line. Also do the math, 65 x 8 crews per airplane = lots of hiring.
I think a 100 seater is coming one way or another. Probably not for anther 5 years or so when our 319's and 737-700's need replacing like CLazarus said. So, let's get the rates up for the CS100 in 2019 and everything is good.
For the record, I would just like to say that with all else equal, the 737 is a whistling turd bucket and the CS is far superior. I don't think anyone is arguing that though.
08-23-2017, 10:40 AM
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Really Grumble? So Delta must REALLY be in the hurt locker with all their old, outdated dilapidated equipment, right? Shiny jet syndrome at its finest. You'd rather make $40/hour less flying one of these dream machines and get an extra $10 on your yearly profit sharing check then get 65, industry leading pay aircraft. Those airframes were available immediately and going to be right off the assembly line. Also do the math, 65 x 8 crews per airplane = lots of hiring.
08-23-2017, 01:08 PM
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Delta's pay on the CS-100 is currently $245/hour. Our current book rates are $190.75, a difference of $50.25. Not sure why all you CS cheerleaders are so hyped up about this but are you not seeing the "D scale" rates we agreed to and telling me you'd prefer to be paid around $4000.00/month less because its a groovy new product?
Sorry but that's crazy talk in my book.
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