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Old 08-14-2017, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
In fact the only pax airlines older than JetBlue that haven't been through bk are Spirit and WN (of those still standing).
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Old 08-14-2017, 06:32 PM
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Remember what happened in Seattle.
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Old 08-14-2017, 07:11 PM
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I can go in detail why united in Jfk makes no sense and is just bad for all pilots country wide. It will bring down the current successful business model most of us are benefiting from now and can be a game changer for the worse creating the next airline downturn. That's why united would never do it. Like Delta for one second would say ok united no problem, come on in and takes some of our pax the Paris. You have to think as an investor and not a pilot. I wish everyone the best in the coming years and hold on to these good times. (Now frontier makes business sense)
FYI, Kirby is on record as saying pulling out of JFK was a big mistake- wouldn't surprise anyone to go back there.
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Old 08-14-2017, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by atrdriver
Honestly, I think a large part of our pilot group wouldn't be thrilled with a UA merger. If we wanted to experience a bankruptcy we would have applied there to begin with. You can keep your dysfunctional airline to yourselves.
Wow I thought you only hated JetBlue?
So I guess AA and Delta are out as well?
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Old 08-14-2017, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
FYI, Kirby is on record as saying pulling out of JFK was a big mistake- wouldn't surprise anyone to go back there.
Kirby went from Dash 2 at an also ran airline (AW) to Dash 2 at a bigger also ran airline (USAir after the merger) to Dash 2 at the worlds largest airline. He wasn't going any higher so he came here.

Sometimes the cream rises to the top, sometimes *** floats. Is Kirby rising or floating? We will see.

I hope he is rising.

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Old 08-15-2017, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Probe
Kirby went from Dash 2 at an also ran airline (AW) to Dash 2 at a bigger also ran airline (USAir after the merger) to Dash 2 at the worlds largest airline. He wasn't going any higher so he came here.

Sometimes the cream rises to the top, sometimes * floats. Is Kirby rising or floating? We will see.

I hope he is rising.
Time will tell. It is refreshing, however, to have someone in flight ops that doesn't just cede market share every time someone comes in and tries to poach passengers. When we had the Shuttle, we owned 50% of all the west coast traffic and were making money hand over fist with large operations in Seattle, Oakland, San Francisco, San Jose, LAX, Burbank, Ontario, and John Wayne Airport. I certainly don't advocate the "airline with an airline" concept; my point is that EVERY time we reduce service to an area, a competitor steps in to fill the vacuum. For the past 18 years, we (pilots) have descried the philosophy of "shrink to profitability" as nonsense and finally we have a management team that seems to agree with us. I'm neither a fan nor a detractor of Kirby, but I don't agree with the idea of shrinking to maximize short term profit margins.

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Old 08-15-2017, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rp2pilot
Time will tell. It is refreshing, however, to have someone in flight ops that doesn't just cede market share every time someone comes in and tries to poach passengers. When we had the Shuttle, we owned 50% of all the west coast traffic and were making money hand over fist with large operations in Seattle, Oakland, San Francisco, San Jose, LAX, Burbank, Ontario, and John Wayne Airport. I certainly don't advocate the "airline with an airline" concept; my point is that EVERY time we reduce service to an area, a competitor steps in to fill the vacuum. For the past 18 years, we (pilots) have descried the philosophy of "shrink to profitability" as nonsense and finally we have a management team that seems to agree with us. I'm neither a fan nor a detractor of Kirby, but I don't agree with the idea of shrinking to maximize short term profit margins.
Yes we are a hollow shell on the west coast compared to what we were. We shrank from every competitor for the last 20 years. I think 10 years ago they figure out it was cheaper to eat (merge) a competitor, than compete. The low cost carriers have grown rapidly the last few years. Maybe it is time again for the big predators to feed.

Alaska or Spirit make more sense to me than JB. Alaska would re-establish our West Coast operation. Spirit would get us back in the SE. JB makes us bigger in New York, where margins have always been thin.
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Originally Posted by Probe
Kirby went from Dash 2 at an also ran airline (AW) to Dash 2 at a bigger also ran airline (USAir after the merger) to Dash 2 at the worlds largest airline. He wasn't going any higher so he came here.

Sometimes the cream rises to the top, sometimes * floats. Is Kirby rising or floating? We will see.

I hope he is rising.
Air Wisconsin pilots love him, having inked a fresh deal for more 50 seaters (while simultaneously deferring the 737-700s)

AND a new extension for Express Jet' E145s....

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...w/59995142.cms

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Air Wisconsin pilots love him, having inked a fresh deal for more 50 seaters (while simultaneously deferring the 737-700s)

AND a new extension for Express Jet' E145s....

ExpressJet: ExpressJet airlines announces contract realignment and long-term plan - Times of India
Don't forget commute air tripling in size by 2019.

http://www.flycommutair.com/about/press_releases/6
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Someone tell Kirby that Frontier is flying a new route out of Rhode Island. I'm sure he will want to buy up the rest of the gates and compete with them.

He is gonna need all the help he can get playing whack-a-mole with the ULCCs.
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