John Carr

Wasn't flaming you.

But that whole "PEA/5 year contract employee" thing isn't as much of a player, IF AT ALL, as some think.

Kind of a shame the other thread on it got closed.

Because A LOT of posters were showing their ignorance on the topic when bringing it up.

Oh well, doesn't matter.......

Too bad P3's OBVIOUS humor/sarcasm/satire was so easily squashed.

cadetdrivr

Hmmm.....interesting idea.

While DOH is not a required consideration in ALPA Merger Policy, if both sides agree to a list it doesn't matter. Anything is possible.

Bubs for Merger Committee!

rp2pilot

One of four criteria, in no particular order .. when they mix in career expectations, that Jblue pilots BEST expectation would be to finish their career left seat narrow body, that'd put all the Jblue guys pretty close to the bottom of the list.

NFLUALNFL

Career Expectation didn't mean much last time. And it meant even less if being older is factored in to "career expectations"; not sure what the exact verbiage is.

svergin

It was defined in our last merger with UAL as basically "flying jumbo" airplanes. So if United were to merge with an airline that didn't have 757/767/777/787 etc only 320s or 737s, you'd have to block off those seniority positions from those pilots. UAL CAL was virtually identical fleet mixes both had jumbo 747/777, mid 767/757, and narrow 737/Bus.

You can bet the top 2/3 of any post-merger seniority list with any LCC would not see any LCC pilots in the top 2/3, and mostly staple job since every pilot on the UAL list can hold 756 FO and 9,000 on the list can hold 756 Captain.

Those are career expectations as defined by last SLI.

Floyd

This is what so many in the UAL/CAL merger failed to understand and what I believe is the part of the ill will still held by some. During a merger, seniority on a specific piece of equipment is stovepiped. For example, airline X as its largest airplane has 50 757s. At five crews per plane that allows for 250 757 Captains. For SLI purposes, numbers 1-250 are considered a 757 captain. Airline X also has a fleet of 737's. For varying reasons there are numerous 737 Captains that are in the top 250 on the seniority list and there are numerous 757 Captains junior to 250. Just because Johnny Ramrod, seniority no 600, took a 57 bid in EWR and commutes across the country on reserve does not mean Johnny or those senior to him are 757 Captain seniority. Only the top 250 are. In fact, airline X has 50 737s which creates 250 737 Captain slots. For seniority purposes in a merger Johnny Ramrod isn't even a Captain at all. Johnny is a 757 Fo. Poor "Little Johnny."

Scoop

This is correct. What any particular Pilot can "hold" at a merger is meaningless. How many positions each carrier has at each position is what is relevant.

If this was not the case I would feel sorry for the next merger with Delta since about 13,000 out of 14,000 can "hold" captain.

Scoop

oldmako

I just saw Johnny Ramrod in the terminal at SEA. He's standing at the podium.

Black Reeboks.
Wrinkled and faded Dickies.
Beat up leather jacket.
Chewing gum in a manner that allows his mandible and maxilla to flop widely open with each chomp. Not quite Cam Newton, but close.

And the best part, he's sporting the biggest pair of Ray-Ban Aviators I have ever seen.

Its MVFR here.

NFLUALNFL

p.s. ...and he's been made senior to us amigo.

rp2pilot

Q. How can you tell that things are going fairly well at the airline?

A. The countless hours spent prognosticating on highly unlikely hypotheticals

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My kids always argued the most on days like Christmas when they were overloaded with toys and, in contrast, got along great when things were tough. Human nature, I guess