Jetblue-United Merger
08-23-2017, 05:25 AM
#91
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Now a merger with frontier would produce a fair amount of overlap.
08-23-2017, 05:58 AM
#92
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Last I checked UAL had no problem competeing/beating SWA south of the border. As far as AA, it would most likely come at the expense of sending pax south through IAH and I just don't see that happening.
08-23-2017, 06:20 AM
#93
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A Spirit/Frontier merger on the other hand would be precisely about expanding a footprint.
08-23-2017, 11:55 AM
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Just my opinion, I don't think the government will allow any majors to merge or buy anyone. The only thing I think they will allow is smaller airlines to consolidate to create competition against the big 4. Now, in another downturn anything could happen, but not right now while things are good
08-23-2017, 01:36 PM
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Just my opinion, I don't think the government will allow any majors to merge or buy anyone. The only thing I think they will allow is smaller airlines to consolidate to create competition against the big 4. Now, in another downturn anything could happen, but not right now while things are good
08-23-2017, 03:15 PM
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Yup. Spirit is like a Scooby snack for UAL.
Here's some stats:
Mainline Aircraft (2016 Annual Reports)
American - 946
Delta - 832
United - 715
Spirit - 95
United + Spirit = 810
A combined United+Spirit still has a smaller fleet than both Delta and American.
Operating Revenue (2016 Annual Reports)
American - $40.2B
Delta - $39.6B
United - $37.9B
Spirit - $2.3B
United + Spirit = $40.2B
A combined United+Spirit would only financially tie AA in total revenue.
Here's some stats:
Mainline Aircraft (2016 Annual Reports)
American - 946
Delta - 832
United - 715
Spirit - 95
United + Spirit = 810
A combined United+Spirit still has a smaller fleet than both Delta and American.
Operating Revenue (2016 Annual Reports)
American - $40.2B
Delta - $39.6B
United - $37.9B
Spirit - $2.3B
United + Spirit = $40.2B
A combined United+Spirit would only financially tie AA in total revenue.
08-23-2017, 03:41 PM
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Seconded. Heck, we could buy both Spirit and Frontier and we'd only end up slightly bigger than AA in terms of pilot numbers (750 or so). Buying either one alone would leave us at about Delta's size, so I'd think we wouldn't be stopped by regulators. Buying Jetblue though would put us up from AA by around 1500 pilots, so I think that would be a merger too far for the regulators to swallow.
I don't think anything is coming, but those golden parachutes at Spirit are sure suspicious.
I don't think anything is coming, but those golden parachutes at Spirit are sure suspicious.
08-23-2017, 03:58 PM
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Just another pilot weighing in, but I don't see any of the big 3 merging/ buying anyone. Even SWA would have a hard time convincing a merger considering market share. Comparing the AS/VX merger to any of the big three merging with anyone gave me a pretty good laugh though.
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08-23-2017, 04:44 PM
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Just another pilot weighing in, but I don't see any of the big 3 merging/ buying anyone. Even SWA would have a hard time convincing a merger considering market share. Comparing the AS/VX merger to any of the big three merging with anyone gave me a pretty good laugh though.
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