Do job fairs really make a difference?
08-13-2017, 02:00 PM
#31
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I was only commenting on his post regarding American, guess I didn't know about the numbers of guys struggling in training and being fired on probation like apparently you do. 
. Only know what I see on line and new guys coming from 121 backgrounds and higher time guys are really great to fly with when they are brand new on the equipment. A number of guys I've flown with from fighter backgrounds have really low time and experience like 1200-1400 total time over a 20 year career, and it sometimes shows, especially with weather, MEL and operational issues, but they are all sharp guys and catch on, just a bigger learning curve for some. IMHO. I felt like CAL did a really great job of every class being a mix of 121/military/charter/corporate/regional backgrounds. Seems like each class was a few of each.
. Only know what I see on line and new guys coming from 121 backgrounds and higher time guys are really great to fly with when they are brand new on the equipment. A number of guys I've flown with from fighter backgrounds have really low time and experience like 1200-1400 total time over a 20 year career, and it sometimes shows, especially with weather, MEL and operational issues, but they are all sharp guys and catch on, just a bigger learning curve for some. IMHO. I felt like CAL did a really great job of every class being a mix of 121/military/charter/corporate/regional backgrounds. Seems like each class was a few of each.So if you're in favor of the even mix of new hire classes and the end results why would you then hamstring guys based on background in your other post?
Btw Anyone that finishes a 20 year fighter career with <2000 hours didn't try very hard, especially with the OPTEMPO of the last 15 years.
08-13-2017, 02:28 PM
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I've seen really good ones and really bad ones from every background.
08-13-2017, 02:35 PM
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Just keeping my nose to the grindstone and hoping for some Hogan assessment to pop into my email when hiring resumes.
Keep the faith.
08-13-2017, 02:40 PM
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Having been in the airline business for quite a while if I was in charge of hiring it would be 1. Regional Guys 2. Military large transport c130 c5 tanker guys etc. 3. Corporate /charter. 4. Fighter pilots. Sorry but guys flying fighters don't have much total time at all, and come from a much different experience base and a lot of times it shows.
I have to wonder if anyone with a purely military/airline background understands what is involved in working for some of the upper tier 135 gigs (NOT the 134.95 operators), ESPECIALLY if you are a standards/instructor, line check airman, supervisor, etc.
I have to think not...
08-13-2017, 04:24 PM
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08-13-2017, 06:20 PM
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08-13-2017, 06:28 PM
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I'd need to see some actual data on that one. Having been in the training arena off and on for some time now. I can say with absolute certainty that background is almost never an indicator of how a pilot is going to do in training.
I've seen really good ones and really bad ones from every background.
I've seen really good ones and really bad ones from every background.
Now, everyone over to the new B6 thread.
08-15-2017, 09:20 AM
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08-15-2017, 09:48 AM
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And as you mentioned a new hire being fired is extrodanairly rare. I have not worked with any "bad" new hire students. Fighter guys and C-17 guys can't make a decent cross wind landing. Everybody has issues with the FMC at first. Some people over think/ over study, some show up for their 4 AM briefing smelling like cheap perfume and still have stripper glitter in their hair. Back ground simply isn't a factor. The absoloutley the most challenging student I had when I was on the the 756 was a new hire A-10 guy. He did not know how to do a challenge and response check list and the FMC completely scrambled his brain.
With a little extra time he did just fine. Unless a person has a serious attitude problem they are going to make it through initial training. The Skywest guy who was let go had an attitude problem.
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