Summer 2017 Pool
09-28-2017, 09:46 AM
#181
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 756 left
Posts: 766
I get it but it’s not how I choose to see thing. I don’t want to walk down the street expecting to get jumped at every alley I come up to. There will always be something ugly on the horizon so why dread every day until it gets here? If you want to find something ugly in everything I assure you you can.
Your choice but don't walk down the street acting and expecting good things to happen in those alleys.
09-28-2017, 10:18 AM
#182
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Airbus 320 Captain
Posts: 481
I'm coming up on 18 years here (two furloughs mixed in). I was going to guess around 5. Nothing wrong with that. I'm not trying to dampen your enthusiasm purposely. You're just missing some of the signs that many on this thread have seen more than a few times. When things go south, and they definitely will in this cyclical business, it's easier to deal with the games that are played when you see it coming.
09-28-2017, 10:59 AM
#183
Need More Callouts
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Unbridled Enthusiasm
Posts: 2,143
30+ for me and I've seen most if not all of it. MOP's Billy Mumphrey type of unbridled enthusiasm is predictable at <5 years but take it from the rest of us, there usually is a villain lurking around most every corner.
Kirby's here for one reason, to line his pockets as well as others, (see Altimeter and PAR) and that's it. Do you not remember who insisted Oscar bring Kirby on-board? I do not share your rosy optimism and when hiring barely keeps up with retirements during a supposed "expansion" phase, somethings definitely amiss.
I encourage you to keep up your Unicorns and Rainbows perspective but remember, Sic transit gloria mundi.
Kirby's here for one reason, to line his pockets as well as others, (see Altimeter and PAR) and that's it. Do you not remember who insisted Oscar bring Kirby on-board? I do not share your rosy optimism and when hiring barely keeps up with retirements during a supposed "expansion" phase, somethings definitely amiss.
I encourage you to keep up your Unicorns and Rainbows perspective but remember, Sic transit gloria mundi.
09-28-2017, 11:25 AM
#184
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2014
Position: 787 right
Posts: 504
Plan:
- Hire some, not all, gullible pilots who may not easily recognize our mis-steps
- Cancel and push back some A/C orders
- Plant the seed for managements desire to have scope relief
- Tell the pilots the airline is growing but still stop hiring for a while and hope they don't stop relying on false hope.
- Once the pilots start recognizing it announce a new route or two in order to get them wet again and to get them to overlook that we're still not hiring and overlook that aircraft deferrals usually don't come to fruition
- If they squawk about getting a substantially lower PS check, or no check at all, tell them times are tough
- The above happens at the beginning of contract negotiations. Hey, we can turn this thing around with 70 seat relief.
Let's all sing: WE'RE #3, WE'RE #3, WE'RE #3!!!
- Hire some, not all, gullible pilots who may not easily recognize our mis-steps
- Cancel and push back some A/C orders
- Plant the seed for managements desire to have scope relief
- Tell the pilots the airline is growing but still stop hiring for a while and hope they don't stop relying on false hope.
- Once the pilots start recognizing it announce a new route or two in order to get them wet again and to get them to overlook that we're still not hiring and overlook that aircraft deferrals usually don't come to fruition
- If they squawk about getting a substantially lower PS check, or no check at all, tell them times are tough
- The above happens at the beginning of contract negotiations. Hey, we can turn this thing around with 70 seat relief.
Let's all sing: WE'RE #3, WE'RE #3, WE'RE #3!!!
Also, our pilots aren't being gullible, they're just not looking at the world like its raining all the time. Perhaps your message to not trust management is valuable to some Marvin who comes here and actually believes everything the company says. I just don't think there are very many people who do.
09-28-2017, 11:32 AM
#185
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: Airbus 320 Captain
Posts: 481
30+ for me and I've seen most if not all of it. MOP's Billy Mumphrey type of unbridled enthusiasm is predictable at <5 years but take it from the rest of us, there usually is a villain lurking around most every corner.
Kirby's here for one reason, to line his pockets as well as others, (see Altimeter and PAR) and that's it. Do you not remember who insisted Oscar bring Kirby on-board? I do not share your rosy optimism and when hiring barely keeps up with retirements during a supposed "expansion" phase, somethings definitely amiss.
I encourage you to keep up your Unicorns and Rainbows perspective but remember, Sic transit gloria mundi.
Kirby's here for one reason, to line his pockets as well as others, (see Altimeter and PAR) and that's it. Do you not remember who insisted Oscar bring Kirby on-board? I do not share your rosy optimism and when hiring barely keeps up with retirements during a supposed "expansion" phase, somethings definitely amiss.
I encourage you to keep up your Unicorns and Rainbows perspective but remember, Sic transit gloria mundi.
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09-28-2017, 07:03 PM
#187
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: Narrow/Left Wide/Right
Posts: 3,655
Everyone knows managements tune. All the new pilots coming from other airlines have heard management's bs for years. No one is dumb enough to believe everything the company says and no one is allowing 70 seat scope. The only people that may do that are a few selfish senior guys trying to do a cash grab. Even the new military pilots know scope relaxation means furlough. I don't know why people always assume new pilots don't understand this. I suppose it's good review from time to time in case someone slips through the cracks.
Also, our pilots aren't being gullible, they're just not looking at the world like its raining all the time. Perhaps your message to not trust management is valuable to some Marvin who comes here and actually believes everything the company says. I just don't think there are very many people who do.
Also, our pilots aren't being gullible, they're just not looking at the world like its raining all the time. Perhaps your message to not trust management is valuable to some Marvin who comes here and actually believes everything the company says. I just don't think there are very many people who do.
Not pilots who have already hitched their horse to the UAL wagon.
09-28-2017, 07:28 PM
#188
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2014
Position: 787 right
Posts: 504
Point taken. To get back on the thread topic, I think the wheels would fall off if we didn't hire 400 pilots for next summer. Maybe 250 pilots still looking to come back from furlough some time before the end of '19. I can't imagine more than 100-150 trying to come back in the first half of next year.
09-28-2017, 09:07 PM
#189
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,244
Point taken. To get back on the thread topic, I think the wheels would fall off if we didn't hire 400 pilots for next summer. Maybe 250 pilots still looking to come back from furlough some time before the end of '19. I can't imagine more than 100-150 trying to come back in the first half of next year.
The hiring team just had a big pow wow last week at TK, only hiring 450 for 2018.
09-28-2017, 09:53 PM
#190
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2016
Posts: 72
Fellas,
As I read this thread it's obvious that most everyone is either on one side of the fence (the sky is falling) or on the calm, clear & sunny side of the fence. I'm currently working on my swimming abilities as a poolie just waiting and waiting for the call to head to Denver.
What's some valid pros and cons of A: staying with my current Dallas all 737 airline, B: exercising a CJO to AA or C: continue to swim in this pool with the fear that my UA CJO will expire if we don't start BI soon ish?
As I read this thread it's obvious that most everyone is either on one side of the fence (the sky is falling) or on the calm, clear & sunny side of the fence. I'm currently working on my swimming abilities as a poolie just waiting and waiting for the call to head to Denver.
What's some valid pros and cons of A: staying with my current Dallas all 737 airline, B: exercising a CJO to AA or C: continue to swim in this pool with the fear that my UA CJO will expire if we don't start BI soon ish?
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