Dave Fitzgerald

Maybe. Remember the MIN-Max sheet is kind of pie in the sky anyway. Essentially meaningless. Manpower can make those numbers say anything they want, then adjust the trickle downs in any fashion they choose.

My guess is they are fat in at least a couple of domiciles, so they will temper the trickle downs to thin the ranks for fall and winter flying.

GoCats67

That is incorrect.

Once it is published it is controlling. So, in this case, the following seats that don't have advertised vacancies do have matching min and max:
EWR 777 CAP

DCA 737 CAP
IAH 737 CAP
DEN 737 CAP

IAH 787 CAP


DCA 737 FO
EWR 737 FO
CLE 737 FO
ORD 737 FO
IAH 737 FO
DEN 737 FO

IAH 787 FO


So, anybody who takes a bid out of one of those seats creates a required backfill vacancy into the seat they left. Additionally, LAX 777 FO only has a difference of 1 between min and max, so if more than one LAX 777 FO takes a bid, then the 2nd and beyond must be backfilled.

Long story short, the only way there wont be unfilled vacancies on this bid is if a whole bunch of 320 and 756 FOs take all the 737 FO bids.

757Driver

That's some "plan" Mr. Kirby has. Meanwhile DAL and SWA hiring continues unabated. Rome burns while Kirby fiddles.

Anyone else thinking this Kirby guy was forced into place to assure a short-term gain in the stock and exit plan for our friends at PAR and Altimeter?

Ni hao

Maybe Kirby will buy Air Berlins 60+ A320's

Someone is going to get them.

MH just signed to take 6 A330's from AB.

MasterOfPuppets

What are you talking about? If he was put in for a short term gain by PAR then he FAILED epically. Our stock is down 40%

Delta hires more pilots because they have a fleet of 100 seaters that we don't.

SW has hired fewer pilots than us over the same period of time.

Rsv4lyfe

Don't forget FedEx... 400/yr. That's nearly 10% of the pilot force. Lots of guys have started recently either from UAL or have swimming in the pool at UAL and couldn't wait anymore for a class.

AA hiring plenty. UPS. JBU... on and on.

757Driver

His plan was to stop capital spending. PAR and Altimeter counted on that shooting the stock price up and it hasn't. Now were so far behind in hiring and aircraft acquisition that we're a distant #3 size wise. The "plan" isn't working and Kirby's flailing. SWA is on track to hire 1000 pilots so I beg to differ regarding that.

MasterOfPuppets

Behind in ACFT acquisition? Where have you been man? we have the first of 161 737MAX's showing up next year, we just took delivery of 14 777-300s and ordered 4 more due next year, the first of our 787-10s start showing up next year and we have 4 more 787-9s due at the end of this year.

DL has 858 jets and will be parking 176 MD80s by 2020 that takes them down to 682 aircraft in the next 2 years plus the rest of their 747s by the end of this year. They will be taking a few older 321s, the Cseries and a handful of 350s but other than that they don't have any aircraft on order......No MAXs, No NEOS, No 777. At best DL breaks even.

AA has 947 aircraft. they are parking most of their 767-300s most of their 757s and the rest of their MD80s over the next couple years. thats close to 100 aircraft. They start taking the first of their MAXs this year at best they will break even.

UA has 749 aircraft with over 180 on order over the next couple years and we are not parking anything now that the 747 is gone. So we should have 850-900 jets, basically even with DL within the next few years.

If Kirby was brought in to curb capital spending it looks like he failed at that too since he upped the A350 order, upped the MAX order and bought 4 more 777-300s....

757Driver

So Delta and AA will be static huh? Wonder why on earth they are hiring so many when we are hiring so few?

Hope your right but if you'd like to make a wager, I'd say your wrong. We will languish behind the rest in distant 3rd place as long as PAR and Altimeter have anything to do with it.

MasterOfPuppets

whats the old adage thats thrown around by United pilots? Hire right up until the day they furlough?

DL just parked the first of their MD80s, 170 to go by 2020. I bet you see hiring at DL fall way off in 2018 and 2019 as they shuffle all those MD80 pilots around. When the shuffling is done they will be the same size as they just don't have the aircraft on order to grow. AA has a ton more retirements than us so they are hiring more as they are replacing 1-1 on aircraft, but again they don't have enough aircraft on order to grow. We on the other hand our aircraft on order are for growth.

Id wager that by 2025 all three majors (AA, DL, UA) will all be within 100 acft of each other. We may still be third but it wont be distant.