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06-28-2017, 10:11 PM
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And if we close Guam, guess who's going to roll in and take it over...Delta. example: Seattle. Delta will take over Guam and make it work...cause that's what they do...and what does United do...put Delta in a good spot to take over what United has left.
06-28-2017, 11:22 PM
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787 starts LAX-SIN, IAD-PEK, IAD-GRU, SFO-ICN, SFO-AKL
787 ends SFO-MUC, SFO-XIY, SFO-SYD, IAH-GIG
LAX ends IAD-LHR-IAD goes to DCA crew
SFO ends IAD-CDG-IAD goes to DCA crew
SFO gets back all SFO-HND, SFO-KIX from IAH (IAH has been flying 1/3 of each destination)
Who gets DEN-NRT-DEN? LAX or SFO? most likely whoever is most overstaffed.......
What all this means for 787 staffing I can't even guess. I would imagine both LAX and SFO are somewhere between properly and over staffed. Displacements? Maybe? To many moving parts here.
787 ends SFO-MUC, SFO-XIY, SFO-SYD, IAH-GIG
LAX ends IAD-LHR-IAD goes to DCA crew
SFO ends IAD-CDG-IAD goes to DCA crew
SFO gets back all SFO-HND, SFO-KIX from IAH (IAH has been flying 1/3 of each destination)
Who gets DEN-NRT-DEN? LAX or SFO? most likely whoever is most overstaffed.......
What all this means for 787 staffing I can't even guess. I would imagine both LAX and SFO are somewhere between properly and over staffed. Displacements? Maybe? To many moving parts here.
06-28-2017, 11:59 PM
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It is shrinking by attrition. FOs get in to keep the seats even but for every CA that bids out or retires there is no backfill. It will close in the next couple years.
06-29-2017, 12:49 AM
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Because... as is pointed out regularly on these forums... it is something in the contract gained at the expense of something else of value.
Looking briefly at a few online sources, while restaurants in Guam are more expensive, that's not really an indicator of "cost of living" for residents. However, Bay Area housing costs appear to be far and well above anything in Guam.
Saying "if you want Guam, then bid it" is akin to those that say there shouldn't be anything in the contract to better help commuters: "if you don't want to commute, then move to a domicile".
Whatever... no dog in this fight. I just find it interesting that United's Guam gets paid so much to go there. If they got rid of it, people would still bid it, so it cost the pilot group as a whole "something" to have it.
Looking briefly at a few online sources, while restaurants in Guam are more expensive, that's not really an indicator of "cost of living" for residents. However, Bay Area housing costs appear to be far and well above anything in Guam.
Saying "if you want Guam, then bid it" is akin to those that say there shouldn't be anything in the contract to better help commuters: "if you don't want to commute, then move to a domicile".
Whatever... no dog in this fight. I just find it interesting that United's Guam gets paid so much to go there. If they got rid of it, people would still bid it, so it cost the pilot group as a whole "something" to have it.
Speaking of Guam - why was it not mentioned as a 777 destination?
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06-29-2017, 01:02 AM
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06-29-2017, 08:38 AM
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We Right now only have 9 of the 14 original 300er's ordered. The others are supposed to be ready for delivery, but still waiting on seats for completion.
We eventually will have a total of 18. Not 18-19, unless we order more. The last 4 announced at Paris, won't be delivered for a while, I think 3Q of 2018, so all this flying from the 747 will have to be supported 14 airframes, and only if the late planes are delivered soon.
I still say, with the announced flying, we don't have enough 300er's to support it. Asking for something to go wrong, then the dominoes fall and it falls apart. Just my personal prediction.
Some of the flim flam between the 777 and 787 has to be because of the shortage. They have time to train and have bids for more 777's because the planes are late.
As for Guam, it is an international destination for the 777, but flown basic, no augmentation. That included HNL-GUM and NRT-GUM. It's under 8 hrs. Also, if you didn't have some kind of COLA for Guam, there is no way you'd ever staff the guppy FO position. You'd still get CApts to bid, but it's be very junior.
We eventually will have a total of 18. Not 18-19, unless we order more. The last 4 announced at Paris, won't be delivered for a while, I think 3Q of 2018, so all this flying from the 747 will have to be supported 14 airframes, and only if the late planes are delivered soon.
I still say, with the announced flying, we don't have enough 300er's to support it. Asking for something to go wrong, then the dominoes fall and it falls apart. Just my personal prediction.
Some of the flim flam between the 777 and 787 has to be because of the shortage. They have time to train and have bids for more 777's because the planes are late.
As for Guam, it is an international destination for the 777, but flown basic, no augmentation. That included HNL-GUM and NRT-GUM. It's under 8 hrs. Also, if you didn't have some kind of COLA for Guam, there is no way you'd ever staff the guppy FO position. You'd still get CApts to bid, but it's be very junior.
06-29-2017, 09:40 AM
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And if desired, "a Pilot assigned to Guam who is in his first year of employment shall receive an eighteen (18) month Base freeze and be paid using the second-year pay rate..."
This, plus the $3000 is a pretty good deal for a probationary pilot.
This, plus the $3000 is a pretty good deal for a probationary pilot.
06-29-2017, 10:39 AM
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