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Old 05-28-2017, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
Just to kind of bring this full circle...

So we're all on the same page, zero scope give back, only further scope limits and reclaimed flying.

Everyone good? Anyone wanna hug it out?
But we just had our first post on this thread about non organic growth...so let's fire that up.

Staple job or organic only.
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Old 05-28-2017, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Stoops
You're thinking organic growth. Clearly not going to get there that way. There are lots of other ways to get to both sets of numbers stated earlier...
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Agreed.

The interesting part is who/whom?

"May you/we live in interesting times"
Allegiant? United has been snapping up AAY management lately. And our COO, who very much made the company what it is, mysteriously bailed on Friday. UAL has expressed a desire for used Airbi and lamented not being able to find enough on the used market at reasonable prices. Then there's the basic coach experiment you guys did. Maybe UAL plans to buy AAY out, eliminate a competetor, and grab some planes and pilots?
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Old 05-28-2017, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ecam
Allegiant? United has been snapping up AAY management lately. And our COO, who very much made the company what it is, mysteriously bailed on Friday. UAL has expressed a desire for used Airbi and lamented not being able to find enough on the used market at reasonable prices. Then there's the basic coach experiment you guys did. Maybe UAL plans to buy AAY out, eliminate a competetor, and grab some planes and pilots?





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Airbus and Denver
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Old 05-28-2017, 02:44 PM
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I always figured on a Spirit/Frontier get together since they are basically the same airline with different names. But who knows.
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Originally Posted by ecam
I always figured on a Spirit/Frontier get together since they are basically the same airline with different names. But who knows.

Frontier will merge with whoever has the money to buy them. The business model synergies don't mean anything. There are West pilots at AA now.
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Old 05-28-2017, 03:03 PM
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Did any of you really think Kirby was your friend and wanted the best for you? After a brief rest with Oscar, pre-Kirby, things are back to what they have been for the nearly 40 years I have been in this industry and airline.

It seems that only Delta has missed many of the downs (their BK was not the same) the rest have. Why is that? Market control in ATL and therefore they get slightly higher revenue per ASM. Its been the same story since before Kirby knew what an airline even was.
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
Frontier
Airbus and Denver
But......but......."airplanes have transcontinental range nowadays. Hubs in middle of the country aren't necessary anymore".

Originally Posted by ecam
I always figured on a Spirit/Frontier get together since they are basically the same airline with different names. But who knows.
Would seem logical enough. But in this industry, what seems logical isn't always what happens.

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Did any of you really think Kirby was your friend and wanted the best for you? After a brief rest with Oscar, pre-Kirby, things are back to what they have been for the nearly 40 years I have been in this industry and airline.
^^^^THIS!!!!!

He loved loved LOVED the RJ at AA/AAG.
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Old 05-28-2017, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ecam
Allegiant? United has been snapping up AAY management lately. And our COO, who very much made the company what it is, mysteriously bailed on Friday. UAL has expressed a desire for used Airbi and lamented not being able to find enough on the used market at reasonable prices. Then there's the basic coach experiment you guys did. Maybe UAL plans to buy AAY out, eliminate a competetor, and grab some planes and pilots?
This is our way into FLL and LAS as satellite domeciles!!!!

GENIOUS!!!
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Old 05-29-2017, 03:11 PM
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If Kirby really thinks he will get any scope relaxation, he is not nearly as smart as people are giving him credit.

Scope relaxation is a non-starter. Won't happen no matter what Embraer or Kirby wants.

More likely an opening salvo in contract negotiations to lower expectations. We get no scope relaxation, and feel better about a less lucrative contract.
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
If Kirby really thinks he will get any scope relaxation, he is not nearly as smart as people are giving him credit.

Scope relaxation is a non-starter. Won't happen no matter what Embraer or Kirby wants.
Dave, given pilots history of giving up scope for $ I'm not sure he's bluffing.
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