John Carr

17-2200 a year!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

I think this year ends with what, just under 450 hired?

Down from a projected 800? I think every year has been under the projected number.

And they lose "1 pilot every 18 hours"

ecam

Not only that, they keep stretching a cramped, inferior, 60s era jet, shoehorning new avionics in, hanging new engines, and passing it off as a new model. The least they could do would be have a somewhat creative idea and build a next gen 757 based on 787 technology. It would corner the market. But like you said, Boeing makes their money on bombs and missiles these days, not airliners. So they will continue to milk the ME3 and fake it here.

sailingfun

7 of our 767-300's are over 12 capable and used on those routes. In addition we have 10 A330-300's with the 242 ton gross weight and increased fuel that will start several over 12 routes in the fall. 11 A350's will be delivered over the next 14 months however 6 747 plus a spare will be removed from service.

Al Czervik

Yup. He claims he wants scope relief. Then he hands you a contract that is crap but doesn't have scope changes and it looks good. Be careful UAL guys he's toxic for you and what your CEOhas been trying to cultivate over there.

Flubber

The Delta pilots, back when DAL offered them the 50 seat Canadair to be flown by mainline pilots at mainline pay rates, who said NO because it was beneath them to fly a "small" plane. That led DAL to ask Comair if they wanted to fly jets... and that was the rabbit-hole moment.

I currently fly a 50 seat RJ. Would I like to fly something bigger? YES. Something bigger, for a mainline carrier, at mainline pay rates. Relaxing scope and putting more "large" RJs at the express carriers does mainline pilots no good, does us regional guys no good (discounting those who have SJS which is not necessarily a good thing), doesn't fix the "quality of service" problem - it only helps the company's bottom line. That's what happens when bean counters run an airline, instead of having airline guys run it.

Just for grins, what would the Caravelle pay scale, adjusted for inflation, be today?

robthree

I flew a C402 and I flew a 747. Both were very nice planes in very different ways. I spent every night at home on the 402. I never missed a ball game or school event or family occasion. I flew around the world on the 747. I got to know Hong Kong and Frankfurt and Amsterdam better than Boston.

But because I flew those planes for over a decade on a different seniority list, I will enjoy only 5 years of top out pay at UAL - on whatever airframe my seniority holds - before I retire. Longevity matters. Big time. Pay rates for smaller planes are far less important than getting the pilots of those planes on our seniority list.

sailingfun

Your post is utter fiction. Delta was never offered the 50 seater by management at any rate. In fact ASA was flying 85 seaters before we ever got a 50 seater. In that era we had essentially no scope. Management was in fact threatening to outsource all flying below the 757. I personally sat in on a meeting where management emphatically laid out why RJ's could not be flown at the mainline.

Scott Stoops

You're thinking organic growth. Clearly not going to get there that way. There are lots of other ways to get to both sets of numbers stated earlier...

Grumble

Just to kind of bring this full circle...

So we're all on the same page, zero scope give back, only further scope limits and reclaimed flying.

Everyone good? Anyone wanna hug it out?

John Carr

Agreed.

The interesting part is who/whom?

"May you/we live in interesting times"