Kirby wants bigger RJ's.
05-28-2017, 05:45 AM
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You might want to fact check that statement. Most lists show you with 74 777 and 174 total widebodies. Delta has 150 widebodies however uses two Captains on flights over 12 hours so total Captains on widebodies is very close. You also employ a much higher percentage of your widebody flying domestically so Delta despite the JV's has more international pilot block hours.
05-28-2017, 06:00 AM
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You might want to fact check that statement. Most lists show you with 74 777 and 174 total widebodies. Delta has 150 widebodies however uses two Captains on flights over 12 hours so total Captains on widebodies is very close. You also employ a much higher percentage of your widebody flying domestically so Delta despite the JV's has more international pilot block hours.
DAL 332/777 = 29 (+ a couple 767-300er)
UAL 787/777 = 99
Second, not all of United double augmented flights are staffed with a single Captain.
Finally the other 19 777s in addition to some hub to hub and trascons, they do mainland to Hawaii, and Hawaii to Guam. Not sure if at Delta you count Hawaii as "international" flying.
05-28-2017, 06:00 AM
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Delta has a lot of 767-300's which is probably where you're getting your 150 # from for the wide body count. Those don't pay wide body pay, so for comparative reasons they aren't really considered a wide body. United has a lot more true wide bodies that pay at the higher rate. Not to get into a pi$$ing match, just sayin'....
05-28-2017, 06:44 AM
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Ok, yeah we have like 35. That wasn't the point. I wouldn't count those as part of United's wide body fleet, as they're at a lower pay rate. I was simply pointing out that he was including their 767-300's in their total wide body count. Just fact checking his fact checking.
05-28-2017, 07:23 AM
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05-28-2017, 07:59 AM
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Delta has a lot of 767-300's which is probably where you're getting your 150 # from for the wide body count. Those don't pay wide body pay, so for comparative reasons they aren't really considered a wide body. United has a lot more true wide bodies that pay at the higher rate. Not to get into a pi$$ing match, just sayin'....
You're attempting to define the term widebody based on pay rates and not the industry accepted norm of an aircraft with twin aisles. Yes, our 767-300s aren't paid at our top rate. However, he isn't wrong to include them in a count of widebody aircraft. With your logic, above what pay rate should an aircraft be considered a widebody? $300/hr? $325/hr?
Bottom line is certain widebody rates at Delta are lagging. I, for one, acknowledge that.
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05-28-2017, 08:04 AM
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Who is the threat group that the future of the airline should be concerned with? Legit question here imo.
05-28-2017, 08:50 AM
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Who is going to be the "some"? Doubt any post merger new hires are willing to give an inch on scope, and if there are any it's probably in the less than 1% number. So who, Lcal scab captains, Lual double furloughees, 07ish lcal hires who are young NB capts?
Who is the threat group that the future of the airline should be concerned with? Legit question here imo.
Who is the threat group that the future of the airline should be concerned with? Legit question here imo.
Let's hope you're right.
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05-28-2017, 09:06 AM
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Any assumption about seniority movement is simply a "moment in time". A snapshot. In the real world, it means nothing before, or after, that moment.
You took a moment in time snapshot, and then delved into dozens of tiny details of that snapshot. It has no validity in the past or the distant, and probably near, future.
3 years from now we could have 18,000 pilots. Or 9000. I am hoping for the first number, but hedging my bets in case the latter happens.
You took a moment in time snapshot, and then delved into dozens of tiny details of that snapshot. It has no validity in the past or the distant, and probably near, future.
3 years from now we could have 18,000 pilots. Or 9000. I am hoping for the first number, but hedging my bets in case the latter happens.
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