Kirby wants bigger RJ's.
06-01-2017, 08:17 AM
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06-01-2017, 08:27 AM
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Here is a short history of mainline bankruptcies in the last 15 years:
1. USAIR ALPA pilots voted yes for multiple paycuts.
2. UAL ALPA pilots voted yes for multiple paycuts.
3. DAL ALPA pilots voted yes for multiple payouts.
4. AMR APA pilots voted no. The judge at the 1113 hearing told AMR to go pack sand over cutting the pay of the pilots. A few months later, a pay RAISE was negotiated coming out of bankruptcy.
UAL pilots spent 9 years making half of what they should have. USAIR pilots spent, I can't remember, 12-14 years doing the same.
American pilots, with different union leadership, stood their ground and voted no.
I was willing to risk my job at United. Unfortunately I was outvoted by the majority who were not. The job became so bad, I voted with my feet, and left on a voluntary furlough. I have no faith in us as a group, or our union leadership, to effect a different outcome the next time the bully comes for our lunch money.
1. USAIR ALPA pilots voted yes for multiple paycuts.
2. UAL ALPA pilots voted yes for multiple paycuts.
3. DAL ALPA pilots voted yes for multiple payouts.
4. AMR APA pilots voted no. The judge at the 1113 hearing told AMR to go pack sand over cutting the pay of the pilots. A few months later, a pay RAISE was negotiated coming out of bankruptcy.
UAL pilots spent 9 years making half of what they should have. USAIR pilots spent, I can't remember, 12-14 years doing the same.
American pilots, with different union leadership, stood their ground and voted no.
I was willing to risk my job at United. Unfortunately I was outvoted by the majority who were not. The job became so bad, I voted with my feet, and left on a voluntary furlough. I have no faith in us as a group, or our union leadership, to effect a different outcome the next time the bully comes for our lunch money.
Bit of history that was important to 1476 pilots.
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06-01-2017, 09:06 AM
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I want a hotter and younger wife, but I know financially that's impracticable. What we want, and what we get are often quite different.
Kirby can want all day, but the reality is he knows UAL MEC won't let that see the light of day.
Kirby can want all day, but the reality is he knows UAL MEC won't let that see the light of day.
06-01-2017, 09:59 AM
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06-01-2017, 10:19 AM
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I don't think your giving UAL MEC enough credit for protecting your pay back in 2008 when almost every US Pilot group was working w their respective management to mitigate furloughs via pay or guarantee reductions (i.e. FedEx, CAL...). UAL MEC publicly pushed back on this concept essentially masking pay protection for pilots out of furlough territory / no resolve to fight for junior pilots jobs by stating "it's not ALPA furloughing you it's Glenn" as if blaming Glenn for the Oil tripling and the Great Recession makes any damn sense (ironic since UAL fought furiously in 85 for the pilots in training now running the show in the MEC). I think you should give them credit for saving every dollar of your compensation in the last case of concession requests, 08.
Bit of history that was important to 1476 pilots.
Bit of history that was important to 1476 pilots.
06-01-2017, 03:26 PM
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06-01-2017, 03:36 PM
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That's all very true. Just to add on to that, when the Lual pilot group voted on bringing back the furlough fund in 2008 to help those in need pay for Cobra benefits guess how close the vote went.... less than 40% of the pilots voted on the ballot and of those that did vote it was split 60/40. So about 1,000 pilots out of 6500 voted to send the bottom 1500 out into the financial crisis with no medical insurance. And as far as I'm concerned, a non-vote is the same as a no vote.
AND once it did pass, it was a MANDATORY dues assessment. I laughed at how fast a deadbeat would start paying up when threatened with his job by our our Membership Committee Chair. LOL. Incidentally, If the republican National RTW bill becomes law, a Cobra vote like that would be meaningless....all those non/no voters would just flake out and not a damn thing could be done about it.
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06-01-2017, 05:08 PM
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Why do we play along?
Every time ground or tower calls out traffic to follow, etc.. the SkyWest, or whatever RJ , which is actually in United livery, we obligingly play along and presume we are certain which aircraft they are calling, instead of asking if it is the "SkyWest regional in United livery".
Small point maybe, but you eat an elephant one bite at a time.
Is this no longer a requirement?
I recall in the past, during mergers there were times we were directed to use the "in the livery" call sign.
Small point maybe, but you eat an elephant one bite at a time.
Is this no longer a requirement?
I recall in the past, during mergers there were times we were directed to use the "in the livery" call sign.
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