cadetdrivr

One more time....

The current jumpseat boarding card has the jumpseater's PILOT SENIORITY NUMBER (not company seniority) printed in large, captain friendly, numbers on it.

Lower number wins. (Subject to CA's final discretion, of course.)

References:

FOM 10.60.1 Jumpseat Priority Table: "Pilots are boarded in seniority order."

FOM 10.70.1 Sample "Flight Deck Authorization Form" that shows format of card, including location and size of seniority number

MasterOfPuppets

I'm confused. The JS card has you PILOT seniority number on it in bold font updated monthly, and that's a fact. It should be fairly simple, there should be no searching, the big bold number is right in the middle of the card. I can't believe a CA, or a crew for that matter would be that dense. Iv never had an issue.

The JS program in the computer goes by Pilot Seniority ONLY. The pass rider SA1 is where it gets tricky because that's based off of COMPANY seniority. There is no seniority number on a SA1 ticket just a year of hire.

jsled

Dawg. I haven't heard of this being a problem for the last few years. The JS authorization form is in pilot seniority order. Like someone mentioned the number on your card is a bit off (not updated as often as CCS) but your number should still be lower than anyone junior to you. Regardless, you can download the current seniority list from Flying Together onto IBooks on your IPad and search names if there is an issue. The priority table in the FOM says "pilots are boarded in seniority order". That's pretty clear. I keep the seniority list and the scab list on my iPad. Just in case.

Sled

krudawg

thanks Sled

Larry in TN

I think the usage of the term "company seniority" is causing some confusion. There is no such thing.

Seniority is your position on the seniority list.

The pass travel, pay step, vacation accrual, etc. are all based on LONGEVITY, not seniority.

There are many cases where a pilot is ahead of another for a seat in the cabin but behind the same pilot for the jumpseat due to the ISL not being by DOH.

JoePatroni

That captain needs to pull his head out of his ass and be a Captain.

MasterOfPuppets

There's probably more to this story. Either he was CAL and wanted to take the junior CAL and not the senior UAL, or he was UAL and didn't want to take the senior CAL. Or the junior guy was a good freind of his.......Either way I can't fathom this kind of boneheadedness.

Or it could be the guy complaining never got a jumpseat form and gave up his seat in back that he was awarded for being senior. In that case he is a bonehead/DB for trying to bump a JSer when he had a seat in the back. If that's the case the CA made the correct call giving the JS to the JR pilot.

So many details missing.......

Dave Fitzgerald

I have only had a problem once in 30 years deciding who rides. Yes, I will make the decision, but it usually works itself out.

If 2 UAL dudes want to ride, what I usually do is ask, who is senior, and who is going to work or going home. I politely ask them to work it out if there is only 1 seat available. 99 times out of 100 they come to a mutually agreeable solution, most times based on pilot seniority. Once in a while, they guy going to work is the more junior of the 2, and gets the nod from the other guy, who takes a later flight.

Please use some common sense in these matters. Yes, I know the rules, but you have to be able to work this out reasonably too.

The one time I had a problem. RNO-SFO on the Shuttle. Nice new hire guy came aboard shortly after we blocked in, and did the usual polite, "Hi., please, I'm going to work," thing. 5 minutes before we push, a famous UAL scab walks on the plane and doesn't say hi, or introduce himself, he just says, "Get out of my jumpseat." I notice that he doesn't have an ALPA pin on, not to mention he was rude in the extreme.

Unfortunately, the previous jumpseater had politely put his bag down in the pit and taking it off would have delayed the flight. Regretfully, I had to tell the scab to get off the flight, you are delaying the trip.

It gets a little grayer if both dudes are off line.

JoePatroni

At face value, when two guys- who know each other's seniority- are asking for the jumpseat, throwing your hands up in the air isn't an option. If they can't work it out, the Captain has to settle it. No jumpseat form means you are out of contention until you get one, if you can't get one because you gave up your seat- you lose.

MasterOfPuppets

Agreed.....