bigfatdaddy

And yours sir are a lot like Hillary tweets...false accusations, ridiculous assertions....you get my drift. Your good posts are completely obscured by your continuous stone throwing.......

baseball

Maybe this will help you. DOCUMENTED..........The number one B777 Captain in IAH had his bid groups fail more than once.

Can you say "denial mode"? I knew you could.

No emotion or English-language trickery there bubba, just plain ole, no bread- and butter, no grits and bacon, just slap-ya-mamma honest to goodness truth sandwich. have a bite buddy, and pucker up and get a good lip smacking smootchie-smootch.

PBS SUX. Good day.

baseball

Just to point you back to the original concept you obviously thought was a trump tweet of some sort................BAH HUMBUG.

How can you say that the program called PBS isn't a company management and staffing tool? That's what the heck it is dude. It's not a pilot centered and focused and controlled scheduling optimization tool. it's a company (MANAGEMENT) controlled and administered staffing and seat filling software program that was outsourced to a third party vendor.....No emotion there. IT's very factual. Not sure how/why you don't understand that. Do you have some sort of PBS agenda or something?

awax

Well, how about this:


Now, go read Section 1, 5, and 8 (for starters) of the current CBA. Maybe you've heard terms like "scope choke" (section 1), or "duty day" (section 5), or section 8 which is actually titled "STAFFING". The entire CBA is chocked FULL of little nuggets that directly affect pilot staffing.

As for PBS, its far form perfect but for a guy like me who's about 30% BES, I get my first bid group awarded every single month. I don't say that to brag because I'm the farthest thing from a PBS expert. But, I do have a functional understanding of how the program works and know what I can hold given my BES seniority. I'd suggest that any pilot who fails to learn the program, or makes unrealistic requests will be disappointed. Even the number one guy in BES can input an illegal bid and learn about completion mode the hard way.

PBS is far from perfect, it needs to be predictable and transparent. Any future changes to PBS won't remove the responsibility for each pilot to know how the program works, and make realistic monthly bids.

baseball

Well, I guess it's great for you. Awesome.

The reality is that the union has very little ACTUAL CONTROL. If it did, the union would be able to mandate that PBS honor seniority. We have no problem honoring seniority when it comes to vacancy bids, displacement bids, and vacation bids. But, when it comes to monthly scheduling, seniority is not a mandatory absolute right given to the pilots.

We have had over a dozen meltdowns at both CAL and UAL with PBS.

ugleeual

Most pilots are too lazy to learn how to bid... thats the real problem.

awax

You mean we're living with the PBS system we agreed to in the UPA and pilots still refuse to learn it?

ACTUAL CONTROL, you mean like the $60 million in grievance awards - in March alone?

Regularguy

OK do you really want to fly with Captain **** or is it worth the sort and verification that your no-fly list actually gets considered.

I know let's do it this way; just allow the computer to make one run and then publish the results. Then let the buyer beware and individual pilot sort through the list of results and see if they got screwed or not.

If so let the results be grieved and sent to the system board for review two months later.

I'd say for most the five day wait has proven to be far less costly than letting the chips fall where they may.

Dave Fitzgerald

I believe the points made were as examples of why the system is not a very good one. Why does it take so long? Because the vendor and UAL are too cheap to improve the system. That won't happen till we make it a priority at ALPA.

Schedules so late in the month are a very real problem. One that should be addressed along with not honoring seniority and others. I for one am not willing to just sit and accept a sub standard product.

Along with these problems, the PBS gurus seem to be drinking the koolaid. They essentially say that this is the way the system works, suck it up and learn the system. It should not be working this way. I have learned the system. When you finally figure out how it works, you way to yourself, why in the world did we accept this POS?

C11DCA

The date is negotiated. And it is earlier then we used to get under C2000 and using traditional line building.

And recall that under C2000 you could only be awarded a max of 81 hours (83 in a flex month) and also had a BANK for anything over 85 credit hours. So your monthly take home pay was capped at 85 hours a month.

How many of our pilots would like to go back to that line building?