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03-20-2017, 12:56 PM
#61
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I am.
Just compare our current total compensation (pay+retirment+medical+other) to the going "market rate."
If nothing else, use JetBlue (no contract) as a proxy for narrow body pilots. You'd be looking at an approximate 30% cut and a hit to scheduling and work rules.
The only pilot shortage is at the regionals, and it's really a pay shortage. There is absolutely no shortage of pilots willing to work for 2/3's of the UPA.
Once the union is gone we can get rid of that silly seniority system that costs the company $$$ and simply roster pilots. Heck, pilots could place economic bids (like the independent contractors they have become) for BES.
Low bid wins. That's door #2.
Just compare our current total compensation (pay+retirment+medical+other) to the going "market rate."
If nothing else, use JetBlue (no contract) as a proxy for narrow body pilots. You'd be looking at an approximate 30% cut and a hit to scheduling and work rules.
The only pilot shortage is at the regionals, and it's really a pay shortage. There is absolutely no shortage of pilots willing to work for 2/3's of the UPA.
Once the union is gone we can get rid of that silly seniority system that costs the company $$$ and simply roster pilots. Heck, pilots could place economic bids (like the independent contractors they have become) for BES.
Low bid wins. That's door #2.
03-20-2017, 07:28 PM
#63
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03-21-2017, 01:23 AM
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03-21-2017, 04:55 PM
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i agree with you 100% om. apparently these young republican conservatives in our cockpits believe in "right to work" (LMFAO). if RTW passes im immediately leaving the union and not paying any dues because i refuse to pay for those freeloaders. the young republicans will deserve the no benefits 777 CAP $165/hr jobs they voted for......
Ah come on! Why are you overstating the issue? NOT every Republican will leave ALPA if a RTW law is passed. Most pilots on this property know that ALPA does great work for the pilots. We don't always agree with ALPA but most of us understand what working conditions we would have is ALPA or any other labor organization was thrown off the property.
03-21-2017, 05:42 PM
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I don't believe that's what he said. But more to the point, have the Dems ever pushed for NRTW legislation? Did any Dems support the last elections attempt to eliminate unions? Lets not be coy here, only one party hates unions and has pushed for NRTW legislation.
03-21-2017, 07:20 PM
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>>apparently these young republican conservatives in our cockpits believe in "right to work"<<
Ah come on! Why are you overstating the issue? NOT every Republican will leave ALPA if a RTW law is passed. Most pilots on this property know that ALPA does great work for the pilots. We don't always agree with ALPA but most of us understand what working conditions we would have is ALPA or any other labor organization was thrown off the property.
Ah come on! Why are you overstating the issue? NOT every Republican will leave ALPA if a RTW law is passed. Most pilots on this property know that ALPA does great work for the pilots. We don't always agree with ALPA but most of us understand what working conditions we would have is ALPA or any other labor organization was thrown off the property.
03-22-2017, 06:20 AM
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?? Oh yeah, Texas too, but there aren't any major airline hubs down there. While I neither support nor advocate RTW, my point is that the sky didn't fall in the states that have it, nor did union membership plunge in those states.
03-22-2017, 06:30 AM
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ALPA Union membership didn't plunge in those states because airlines fall into the Railway Labor Act, not state union rules.
The fear is that the government in place will craft a NATIONAL right to work law. If this happens, you bet there will be consequences.
The fear is that the government in place will craft a NATIONAL right to work law. If this happens, you bet there will be consequences.
03-22-2017, 07:41 AM
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I believe Ellis vs BRAC, 1984, would still apply, as it does now. An employee can opt out of union "dues" but not an agency fee which represents the portion of union dues that pays for collective bargaining, contract administration, and grievance adjustment. I honestly don't know what that differential is .. for our union, which doesn't use dues for political activities, I think the difference is miniscule. Thankfully, I don't see many slick ties out there, and I wouldn't expect it to change due to RTW. Only a sociopath would choose to work in an environment where they are universally hated.
