global reserve question about vacation
02-25-2017, 06:23 AM
#11
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ya know, I read a lot of posts by folks who are apparently junior whining about having to be near the airport on reserve and about having vaca days overlap days off etc etc
and I can't help myself jumping in and pointing out how silly it sounds. because, yes, it sucks to be junior in a seniority-based career. and some geniuses get on forums from their crash pads and think it's logical to assert that the pains of being junior "need to be fixed in the next contract" even though all of airline history tends to show that yes it sucks to be junior.
anyway.. all the crashpad sitters can jump back online and blast away. enjoy
and I can't help myself jumping in and pointing out how silly it sounds. because, yes, it sucks to be junior in a seniority-based career. and some geniuses get on forums from their crash pads and think it's logical to assert that the pains of being junior "need to be fixed in the next contract" even though all of airline history tends to show that yes it sucks to be junior.
anyway.. all the crashpad sitters can jump back online and blast away. enjoy
02-25-2017, 08:17 PM
#12
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Thanks for the info on the "pro-ration". I knew it was somewhere. Thanks for pointing that out.
Interesting discussion here on the concept of reserve. My take is that ALPA probably presumes pilots won't be on reserve long - hence the lack of emphasis of quality of life.
None of us never know when the music will stop. Also, we don't know with any degree of reliability what the fleet plan is supposed to look like.
I've been on reserve ever since the merger and I certainly didn't predict that, was a line-holder prior to the merger and haven't changed airplanes.
Every airframe I've been on I've sat reserve for a short period of time, less than 9 months in all airframes on property as an FO. But the reserve thing is getting old and only growth that takes people out of the seat above me and pushes them to higher paying seats will help me and those around my seniority.
On vacation: I don't think we need a proration table. We should still get our contractual 12 days off, plus our vacation days. Why the proration table? That seems like we are cheating our reserve pilots of paid vacation that they have accrued. I see the need for a proration table if you have unpaid leave, but not for paid leave (vacation). it seems like we are punishing the reserve both financially and in time off just for using vacation.
Interesting discussion here on the concept of reserve. My take is that ALPA probably presumes pilots won't be on reserve long - hence the lack of emphasis of quality of life.
None of us never know when the music will stop. Also, we don't know with any degree of reliability what the fleet plan is supposed to look like.
I've been on reserve ever since the merger and I certainly didn't predict that, was a line-holder prior to the merger and haven't changed airplanes.
Every airframe I've been on I've sat reserve for a short period of time, less than 9 months in all airframes on property as an FO. But the reserve thing is getting old and only growth that takes people out of the seat above me and pushes them to higher paying seats will help me and those around my seniority.
On vacation: I don't think we need a proration table. We should still get our contractual 12 days off, plus our vacation days. Why the proration table? That seems like we are cheating our reserve pilots of paid vacation that they have accrued. I see the need for a proration table if you have unpaid leave, but not for paid leave (vacation). it seems like we are punishing the reserve both financially and in time off just for using vacation.
02-26-2017, 04:52 AM
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Thanks for the info on the "pro-ration". I knew it was somewhere. Thanks for pointing that out.
Interesting discussion here on the concept of reserve. My take is that ALPA probably presumes pilots won't be on reserve long - hence the lack of emphasis of quality of life.
None of us never know when the music will stop. Also, we don't know with any degree of reliability what the fleet plan is supposed to look like.
I've been on reserve ever since the merger and I certainly didn't predict that, was a line-holder prior to the merger and haven't changed airplanes.
Every airframe I've been on I've sat reserve for a short period of time, less than 9 months in all airframes on property as an FO. But the reserve thing is getting old and only growth that takes people out of the seat above me and pushes them to higher paying seats will help me and those around my seniority.
On vacation: I don't think we need a proration table. We should still get our contractual 12 days off, plus our vacation days. Why the proration table? That seems like we are cheating our reserve pilots of paid vacation that they have accrued. I see the need for a proration table if you have unpaid leave, but not for paid leave (vacation). it seems like we are punishing the reserve both financially and in time off just for using vacation.
Interesting discussion here on the concept of reserve. My take is that ALPA probably presumes pilots won't be on reserve long - hence the lack of emphasis of quality of life.
None of us never know when the music will stop. Also, we don't know with any degree of reliability what the fleet plan is supposed to look like.
I've been on reserve ever since the merger and I certainly didn't predict that, was a line-holder prior to the merger and haven't changed airplanes.
Every airframe I've been on I've sat reserve for a short period of time, less than 9 months in all airframes on property as an FO. But the reserve thing is getting old and only growth that takes people out of the seat above me and pushes them to higher paying seats will help me and those around my seniority.
On vacation: I don't think we need a proration table. We should still get our contractual 12 days off, plus our vacation days. Why the proration table? That seems like we are cheating our reserve pilots of paid vacation that they have accrued. I see the need for a proration table if you have unpaid leave, but not for paid leave (vacation). it seems like we are punishing the reserve both financially and in time off just for using vacation.
02-26-2017, 06:11 PM
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I just have a question:
Is the proration of days off a good thing? A fair thing? Is it the right thing to do?
It is my opinion that the accrued vacation is time off awarded with pay that you have earned. Inserting an "adjustment" or proration table has a tendancy to dilute ones vacation value in terms of days off. A reserve with no vacation gets 12 days off. So why doesn't a reserve with a week's vacation get 19 days off?
Is the proration of days off a good thing? A fair thing? Is it the right thing to do?
It is my opinion that the accrued vacation is time off awarded with pay that you have earned. Inserting an "adjustment" or proration table has a tendancy to dilute ones vacation value in terms of days off. A reserve with no vacation gets 12 days off. So why doesn't a reserve with a week's vacation get 19 days off?
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