Exconewr

Didn’t say that, but you also have to have some sense of realism, I voted no

jerryleber

Is this JP? Are you carrying the C33 reps' water?

Exconewr

What’s a JP?

Chowdah

If your take is anything more nuanced than: “they’re all corrupt, selfish morons who don’t care about our profession,” then you’re clearly management, a scab or an antagonist.

I agree that a lot of folks don’t seem to grasp the concept of reserve, that said, 18 days a month with TA1’s provisions is too much. I’m honestly more surprised that the union/company think they’ll be able to cover the unfilled NB CA vacancies if they enacted the reserve rules they proposed

Exconewr

None of the above, but this TA would have failed. They now have the ability to correct areas that were lacking. If it’s not good the second time through you vote no. It’s a business deal not an emotional everyone’s out to get me or I want vengeance for something from 10 years ago. We make great money, it’s a great job. Let the process go forward and see what happens, worst case scenario something gets voted in you’ll get a raise. Life goes on. I filled out in the comments section the areas and specific recommendations for what was lacking. Nothing more you can do. Your likely the Scab from your petty comments

Chowdah

I think you misunderstood me. If you care to understand my position, take a look at my other posts. If this is a place to blow of steam or have fun eliciting reactions from the keyboard commandos, carry on. No hard feelings here

fadec

This isn't the process. The MEC and company conspired together to hijack the process, both with the initial TA not following the policy manual for full retro and then delaying the MR vote results. They're changing the rules mid-play to give every advantage to the company and you call that a process?

This isn't a business deal. It's a dirty political deal. A clean political processes requires rules, order, and speakership who puts rules and order above personal politics. If we had that then maybe we could ignore the political aspects and call it business, but this is certainly rather politics as usual. Attempting to treat it as something civilized is just more of the same snake pit tactics.

Exconewr

Then don’t call me a scab……no hard feelings here either

Exconewr

You really think that? As much as I would love full retro it’s kinda hard to justify considering we were literally on the verge of mass layoffs and or bankruptcy during the pandemic. The Government bailouts spared us, but UAL also took on a massive amount of debt. One of my main feedback comments on the survey was better retro, and I think more importantly a 3% raise yearly at the amendable date until our next contract. Even the most cynical among us has to admit this is the only management team we’ve ever seen that has actually pressed to grow and create stability in this company. It’s pretty incredible we survived 2020/2021, hired, grew and most pilots cashed in some pretty big checks. I’d rather improve this TA then enter who knows how many years of negotiations, especially considering our country’s current economy.

AntiPeter

The terrible management UAL had for decades is not normal.

Much of what Kirby says does not come to fruition. In my opinion, with or without the failed TA, or a new TA, Kirby’s growth plans are unrealistic and unlikely.

I agree with the previous poster. At this point the political process is corrupted beyond repair. Either ALPA is voluntarily colluding with the company or they are so inept and incompetent the company is calling all of the shots.

Either way, an adequate agreement with the current ALPA leadership is impossible. It will not happen. I am certain, at this point, the company has zero respect for the pilot group. Zero. Why would they?

We will leave money on the table with the current MEC. We will have a substandard agreement with the current MEC. The only hope for a significantly better agreement is to remove the current union leadership.

All I am asking for is a proper, transparent, legal and ethical democratic system. That system has been usurped by our union leaders, for our detriment and their benefit. It is perverse, vile and disgusting.

My ALPA pin and lanyard sit idle, my NO vote is infinite until ALPA respects its membership. We are not in a union to accept, unilaterally the decisions of self-appointed royalty.

As the French said, “now, off with their heads…”. Where is my pitchfork? At this point, there is literally no other way. The reality is the current union leadership is beyond repair and not able to negotiate in our interests.