Augerin

^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^

we should all be fully compliant with all rules and company procedures at all times.

Andy

I've got no problem with that, but fewer posts, less pontification, and much more brevity on your part would be nice.

Wilfortina

You know, I actually think with some serious work this thing could be polished up and be good. But this negotiating committee has lied directly to our faces multiple times in town halls and FAQs and I don’t trust them for anything, especially to negotiate for me.

Vernon Demerest

Like I’ve said. I truly wish the vote would close Friday and results released. Your over the top “contributions “ to our process via this forum have not moved the needle. Believe it or not, the vast majority of us have read the TA and voted NO accordingly. I’m hopeful the next three months will bring about a much better TA in which to vote on. It is embarrassing enough that the NC is just now talking about polling the pilot group. Many of us were asking our LEC reps about this in 2021 and earlier this year. Trust us to do the right thing here.

SwampFoxx

So does anyone know how realistic it is that we recall these unbelievably negligent (leaning more towards corrupt) “representatives” of ours before they screw us over with another “industry leading” deal? I have my doubts that we can clean house quick enough.

AlettaOcean

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SwampFoxx

Prob wishful thinking here, but maybe they love their cushy union jobs enough that they actually deliver this time. Still may not be enough unless it’s truly mesmerizing.

Lewbronski

I can empathize with you on this. And I assume you're talking about SWA pilots like this guy, speaking about the beat down the piloting profession took during the 2000's, quoted in a NY Times article from 2006: "'It's hard for me to feel sorry for them,' said So-and-so . . . [a Southwest union official], who have always flown longer hours than pilots at older airlines. 'They're a bunch of spoiled brats,' he said. 'Historically, this has been a really cushy job once you get to the majors. You make a lot of money and you don't have to fly a lot. But there had to be a market balancing at some point.'" We have a heritage of guys like that. That's embarrassing. Hopefully, we've turned the corner and the new guys in place are on an entirely different level. Hopefully, guys like that guy are either waking up or retiring out. We will see. But ya, it's frustrating to me that one of our guys had the nerve to say something like that. And I know he wasn't alone in how he felt. It would likely be even more frustrating to me had I been in your shoes at the time.

Vernon Demerest

Exactly. And some so called “friends of mine” who would tell me that they were looking forward to a base here or there when XYZ airline folded and “we take their gates”. Hard to forget some of this stuff and all the while happily working with very little work rules in order to “give ole Herb an advantage” so you could move in and take advantage of a strong legacy contract’s demise. And now to demand one of those very legacy’s pilots to raise the bar a certain height so you can improve your contract? Sorry. It isn’t personal to you but it is hard to get that taste out of my mouth. Thanks for your words.

SwampFoxx

The thing is, it’s not like they (MEC, NC) were a little high on the glideslope, called for a go around, and want us to relax and trust them to get us on the ground safely. It’s more
like they were drunk and doing lines off an FAs ___ while busting through mins, but now they realize they were wrong, sobered up, and we should relax and trust them this time. Egregious.